• jonesey71@lemmus.org
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    6 months ago

    The only reason he would marry a 9 year old is to give a pretend legitimacy to the fact that he is going to rape her. He already raped children without that veil of decency, why would he start now. No one is fooled, he would just rape her without bothering with the pretend stuff like religion.

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      thank you for reminding me of the depressing semester my high school sophomore year where a freshman married a 26 year old creepy police officer academy dropout. they tried to do it in-state, but they needed both parental and judicial approval. the parents said “well they’re going to have sex anyways so if they get married at least they won’t be sinning [according to our cult ass religion]”. To the judge. The judge spent an hour yelling at both sets of parents how they had failed at protecting the 14 year old from the pedo 26 year old cop.

      A month later, they got married in Reno. Across state lines. Sounds a lot like trafficking to me.

      Both of their parents and older siblings were completely ostracized. Younger siblings weren’t blamed, but the older ones were expected to beat the shit out of the cop wannabe. They did not, and once he was married, the change in marital status (even though it was to a child) got him in the door at the academy. But after a year their parents and siblings moved to Utah.

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          Right? That feels like n appropriate reaction. Thank you.

          It’s the thing I think of when they say “child marriage is legal with judicial approval” like, no judge I’ve ever met would stand for that shit (and I grew up at the courthouse, dad had me delivering documents. Wish he delivered some cash for that) but I mean that might just be a product of my locale.

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    6 months ago

    Its a terrific deal, a FANtasTic deal! And only i could have come up with it, Don-Al-Shabir Dump of Saudi Arabia! I love the Saudis - especially that MBS guy!

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      But, like 4 at a time, or 4 in total? Because he could rotate them through if necessary, he wouldn’t have a problem with that.

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        6 months ago

        Islam probably also has some sort of prohibition against burying your dead wife in an unmarked grave on your golf course, so I think the point is moot.

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        Twelver Shia will let you get a temporary marriage, in case you want to fuck a prostitute. So you could probably rotate through a harem.

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    I bet he could seriously do this and nothing would change. Maga would think what insanity fox news would tell them.

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    Wait till you read the Bible And Moses’ soldiers took in underaged spoils of war as sex slaves

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      Judaism, Christianity, Muslim; all have a long history of enslaving, raping, plundering, and murdering, with centuries of evidence and justification in their scriptures.

      We can’t abolish religion, that just gets them excited, they all love to be martyrs. So, tax them, like everybody else.

      They can bitch about taxes and everyone else on Earth will be like “yeah it’s a bummer”. Why I have to finance their horror show is beyond me.

      And remember, their tax benefits are far above and beyond what any non-profit charity gets.

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    This is islamophobic. Especially considering Aisha’s age is a subject of debate among scholars and historians.

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      It’s not islamophobic, she was 9 years old

      There’s no debate

      Your claim is factophobic

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        That’s not true, there is some debate as to whether the marriage was indeed consumated when she was 9, or right after they were married, which would have made her 6.

        She was also accused of adultry at 13.

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        Not really. Saying there is ‘no debate’ isn’t actually factually accurate. While some traditional sources mention that age, there is a massive amount of historical and academic scholarship that suggests otherwise. The claim of age 9 have been used by bad faith actors on all sides. (Some fanatics to justify child marriage, and other fanatics who think their religion/group of people are superior to muslims in particular).

        Here is a decent article explaining this if u wanna engage with it in good faith. There have been various debates on it and hadith is not considered accurate always, unlike the quran. The claim she was that young may have originated from sectarian divides among early muslims for whom virginity meant being “pure”. U dont really need to particularly agree with the claim that she was not 9yo as a total fact. The Bukhari hadiths saying she is 9 is very well accepted by a vast majority of rhe fundamentalist muslim word, but not everyone. Saying there is “no debate” at all is a factually wrong statement as well. And reduces all of a particular group of people as brainwashed fanatics who support the horror of child marriage.

        https://newlinesmag.com/essays/oxford-study-sheds-light-on-muhammad-underage-wife-aisha/

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          “The Muslim scholar Yasmin Amin makes an interesting point, however, noting that the report in question is not technically a hadith at all, since it is ultimately attributed to Aisha and not Muhammad. She makes the argument that traditionalist Muslims can and should differentiate between prophetic and non-prophetic reports found in Sahih Bukhari.”

          Obviously the article has a lot more content than this but I found this funny. "Don’t listen to the kid he is accused of raping as a child, listen to the prophet instead. And just ignore that.

          Also this one “The attribution of this young age to Aisha should thus be understood as reflecting not chronological or historical accuracy but, rather, a symbolic concern for her virginity, chastity and purity.”

          Lol what bullshit. come on

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          This is apologia.

          Why, through centuries of Muslim scholarship, was this conclusion not came to earlier? There are thousands and thousands of pages written by thousands and thousands of Muslim commentators and scholars that did not have a problem with her age at marriage, nor consider it particularly notable. It’s only now, at a Western university, in a world which unequivocally does not accept people fucking 9 year olds that the story changes.

          Aisha was active a long time after Mohammad’s death. How old are we suggesting she was married at?

          There are other hadiths that mention her being young (playing with dolls. So we’re throwing out a Hadith that many many Muslims have historically accepted, that seems to align with other hadiths that many many Muslims have historically accepted.

          This is a clear Occam’s razor situation.

          Is it “Christophobic” to point out that Mary was fourteen when God impregnated here? That seems to make the Christian god a clear pedophile.

          Aisha was such a badass I wish some radical feminist Muslim women would retool the entire religion around her though.

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      Eh, Mary was a teenager when God knocked her up. Seems religion and power are just convenient excuses for old dudes to fuck kids. Always have been. Fuck religion and the morons who follow it.

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        dudes i am so glad i worship a giant space crab. the only fucking going on is people screaming “FUCK” right before it eats them when it comes to devour the planet.