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They can’t get off if it’s mainstream, they need their fetishes to be taboo, and preferably illegal. So, they make it illegal, then rub themselves raw over it.
This is, upsettingly, probably true for a significant portion of them.
Ironically, they’re treating trans women the same way they treat cis women—as sexual objects who don’t deserve bodily autonomy.
Huh, and here I thought we didn’t like any of the same things.
You see the performers as people. They see the performers as fuckmeat. You are not the same.
Very good point. I also see now that this is only focused on search terms for MtF folk. I’m an equal opportunity gooner, I enjoy some fine-ass FtM peeps in porn too. I have a feeling they don’t.
Republicans don’t believe that FtM people exist. In their minds, they’re just delusional women who wish they were men, but it makes perfect sense to them that women wish they were men. It would be weirder to them to hear that not all women wish they were men. It’s completely part of the sexism and patriarchy.
The reason that they’re so obsessed with trans women by comparison is that it goes against their entire worldview. A man who wants to be a woman? Why would anyone ever want to be a woman?! There’s also the bigotry and everything else, of course, but the fact that it defies what they see as the natural order or hierarchy of the sexes drives them crazy.
I mean we’ve seen Alex Jones with a “Naughty tbabe” tab open on his phone.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/forbidden_fruit_is_the_sweetest
Proverb
forbidden fruit is the sweetest
- Forbidden things seem more appealing; people desire things more if (or, in some way, because) they can’t have them.
Everyday I find myself completely baffled by human behavior. There are days I legitimately do not think I’m the same species.
If I hate someone, I genuinely hate 1athem. Like Gary that I worked with in 2003. 20+ years later, and I STILL think he’s one of the biggest 1assholes I ever met.
1At NO POINT do I want Gary porn. Maybe Gary death porn, but not sexual porn. I’d like to see him walk into a walk-in closet, when a bunch of spinning blades shoot out and cut him into tiny dice sized cubes.
But these people claim to hate trans folks, but then go home and beat their meat to them? Where’s the hate then??? If you’re going to hate someone, truely hate them because they stand for everything you dispise. Otherwise, you’re just saying your own values mean nothing to you, and you shouldn’t be taken seriously at face value.
And in this particular case, why even bother hating trans people at all? Just accept trans people for who they are, and bust all the nuts you want without being a hypocrite.
Aside from kids and animals, there aren’t many kinks I’d look down on people for, as long as they’re just true to themselves. I may not like the idea of licking feet, but if thats your thing, own up to it! Be yourself!
Question:
What’s up with those 1s in front of your 'a’s in paragraph 2?
Typos. I was walking while typing this, and my finger must have touched the keyboard a few times.
Why the random numbers
THE NUMBERS, MASON!
Fuck Gary!
i was just skimming and (๑·̀ᗝ·́)૭ GARY!!!
what is it with garys?
(i love you grampa gary)
fuckin gary
Deviation from social expectations can be attractive as can novelty. Fetishization of a group is often associated with the group being perceived as exotic and possibly even taboo. And there are a lot of people who when they feel shame about their desires lash out against those they desire. The sort of guy who feels the need to tell everyone he’s not into fat chicks? Yeah he’s getting rejected by them in secret.
Your example is someone you personally hate because Gary fucking sucks. But if there were a group of Garys who were just a bit different that you were always told not to interact with because they’re bad despite the fact that they all seem perfectly nice if a bit odd. Well a certain portion of your community would find themselves torn between the excitement of the exotic (hell you don’t see a Gary every day, and you usually have to go to a certain part of town to see one) and the expectations of not interacting with them, and this would lead to shame and anger, because to an unexamined and immature person these Garys are seducing them, tempting them away from what they know to be the rightful separation of good normal people and Garys. This is even worse if anyone could turn out to have always been a Gary. Maybe some of those people are afraid they might be a Gary but are afraid to even think about it enough to discount it. So they may start calling to ensure there’s no chance of them accidentally running into a Gary and making sure nobody becomes a Gary hoping that that will keep them safe and maybe even punish the Garys who did this to them.
Goddamn, I’d really like to see this Gary fellow.
**Search terms for the list ranking include only: “shemale”, “tranny”, “femboy”, and “ladyboy”
They’re going to be missing a large chunk by excluding drawn/cartoon/anime type categories and terms like futa.
Although, not sure how well the southern peeps are gonna know any words coming from other cultures to reference what they’re looking for.
I ain’t beatin’ my meat to trans porn! I swear! I’m just… I’m just researching the enemy!
Yeah 14 hours of researchin, i really gotta know what to look out for. Yeah and those noises i was frying some chicken, nothing goes better than cock with researchin.
Article says there are more searches for trans-related keywords in GOP areas. However it doesn’t say anything about trans porn searches vs cis porn searches. It wouldn’t surprise me if conservative areas have more searches for porn in general, so all the numbers are higher. Anyway the article uses a lot of statistical jargon without seeming to check this basic issue. FAIL.
Yeah, and if it did, I feel like it’s their vigilante fantasy scour. Not genuine crank material. Either way, unhealthy obsession.
Yeah that is the case. Utah has the highest porn consumption per capita, I recall.
The more anti-porn a society is, the more they secretly consume porn.
I have noticed that there is still a huge anti-porn sentiment here as well, that of course, narrowly focuses on porn addiction and extreme genres of pron and generalizes those things as something everyone who watches porn is or must become, rather than acknowledging most porn consumption is limited/casual and porn has a ton of genres and varieties and flavors.
Oh shit… oh no… this can’t fucking be… am I Republican!!! /s
You’ve fallen into a logical of fallacy of confirming the consequent.
Edited it and added the /s for sarcasm there for ya buddy. 🫂
I know. I just really wanted to flex my trans master debater knowledge.
the article does have this headline but doesn’t actually back it up (convincingly) at all. it seems to thinks googling ‘“shemale”, “tranny”, “femboy”, and “ladyboy”’’ counts as searching for trans porn. kelsey libert doesn’t seem to have any relevant qualifications either
Hell ya! I was worried I was a republican their for a second ( /s ) luckily those are not the terms I use to search for trans porn but like I also show trans people and people regardless of gender respect.
Side note, I get the other terms coming from right wing ignorant assholes but feel femboy is not that bad, am I wrong on this? I have not yet read the article.
We’ve heard lots of people referring to themselves as femboys. So probably not that bad.
But a femboy (in the context we’re used to) isn’t a trans woman, it’s a boy with feminine qualities, I think (while still being male).
– Frost
this is just… misinformation. At best, a loosely carried out statistics experiment.
I don’t give a damn what kind of porn people watch. I do care that this colors their perspective on how trans people actually live. Most of us aren’t sex workers. And most of us that are don’t do it by choice. We’re just people trying to live our lives. This kind of thinking is incredibly dangerous, as it leads to believing that someone just being themselves in public is an act of sexual exhibitionism. I didn’t transition as a sex thing. My life is not a costume. I transitioned and have lived my entire adult life as myself, worked my entire career and built my entire life around my transitioned name and gender. Rather than a 24/7 drag act, most days I’m wearing jeans and hoodie.
We’re just trying to live our lives in peace. But a bunch of perverts are using their porn habits to inform their moral judgments about an entire class of people.
What? What the hell does transporn have to do with, 1. Your personal identity and 2. How everyone else perceives trans people? Porn is fantasy not real life.
Man, you can’t just ignore how porn molds the way people see others and what they expect of them, be it men, women or trans people
I mean ya… But this can be said about anything at all. How about the 24 hour news cycle… Just constant news all the time screaming in your face. Or flat Earth videos on YouTube… Millions of people believe the earth is flat. Or maga propaganda permeating literally everything nowadays.
We’re humans and can be easily influenced.
Furthermore I don’t see a mechanism that would support what’s being said under the original comment here that would be present in porn to support what you’re saying in context.
… How can you both understand and not understand at the same time? Are you american?
To sum it up, minorities suffer from the gaze that is cast upon them, especially if this gaze is exploitative, degrading, objectifying and made by and for the pleasure of the oppressor, thus reinforcing the oppressor’s bias against the minority.
If trans porn is the only way these men are confronted to the existence of trans people, they’d oversexualize the idea of trans, which in turn leads them to blame/despise the trans even more (because of both their conservative views and unhealthy relationship with sex), not even leaving trans people the space to be something else in their eyes than objects to jerk off to (aka “people”).
What does being American have to do with anything?
Provide a source to support what is clearly a biased opinion.
What you’re describing, objectification, is a downstream effect, not a cause. A person would already have to hold anti-trans views to behave the way you’re describing. The bias exists prior to the porn consumption, or that bias may even influence the type of content they seek out.
Roughly 7 out of 10 people in America watch porn at least occasionally. That represents a majority of the population. More than half the country is not anti-trans, which directly undermines your claim about “the perception of trans people.”
The person you are interacting with is trying to browbeat you because they don’t like what you are saying because they have some weird anti-porn beliefs, which frankly, a lot of people do. They themselves are falling trap to the ‘porn corrupts’ anti-sex narrative, while seemingly being critical of anti-sex narratives. I see this all the time.
And they are mad you are suggesting that all media corrupts, and porn isn’t some super special deeply influential thing compared to any other media consumption. You evil porn-normalizer!
Yeah, got it from the “I’m suffering, for x, y and z reasons.” “No you’re not, prove it” vibe.
The guy is clearly a troll who has no idea what he’s talking about. I went at it with him for a few more exchanges and had to block him. He was more stupid than your average idiot.
This ties into a bigger issue where almost nothing related to sexuality can ever be healthy or normal to many conservatives.
Sex to these conservatives is inherently deviant and filthy. Making conscious life decisions related to sexuality or sexual identity will never be just a life decision. It will be equivalent to actively engaging in sexual acts.
Being trans to them is actively paedophilic because it exposes children to the concept of sexuality and gender. Sex ed will be paedophilic to them because it does the same. Each person’s actions are not the sole thing that defines them, but also their position in society as dictated by “what it has always been”. Men have always led households by marrying women and having kids, therefore men that don’t are a threat.
Conservatism is quite black or white when it comes to things like identity or introspection. It is an ideology that very frequently wages war on self questioning and exploration in exchange for compliance and conformism. It’s why many conservatives hate universities, scientists and partially why they hate immigrants. The entire ideology grows by appealing to people who do not want to be intellectually challenged. It’s especially attractive to those that don’t want to understand other ways of thinking.
Conservatism as an ideology always exploits the greatest potential weakness of the left wing: naivety, and presents itself as the “responsible” or “reasonable” solution to a reckless and harmful left wing. They frame things like empathy and humanitarianism as weaknesses rather than virtues.
It’s why most of the conservative rhetoric revolves around “being taken advantage of” or “being scammed by” this or that group. They love stories about immigrants exploiting the system, cheating or stealing because it proves their worldview that what’s foreign and unknown is out to get them. It is an ideology driven by fear.
And the biggest problem is that, unlike progressivism (which also has its ideological vices and weaknesses), conservatism never seeks to help the weak or empower the vulnerable. Instead it seeks to maintain the hierarchy and keep people in their place. In the US that translates to keeping immigrants weak, keeping black people down, keeping women in the kitchen, keeping white men ahead, keeping the US as an imperial power, and keeping its allies subservient.
Being trans to them is actively paedophilic because it exposes children to the concept of sexuality and gender. Sex ed will be paedophilic to them because it does the same. Each person’s actions are not the sole thing that defines them, but also their position in society as dictated by “what it has always been”. Men have always led households by marrying women and having kids, therefore men that don’t are a threat.
Our own minds will expose us to sexuality way before the age of 18 though. This is why it’s so important to have sex ed. So that kids with feelings won’t go messing around (together!) and not knowing what’s what. In Holland we’ve always had that pretty early so teenage pregnancies were super low but lately the conservative forces have also taken hold there. It’s blowing over on social media. So now a lot of parents are up in arms over it especially in the mostly religious regions.
It’s why most of the conservative rhetoric revolves around “being taken advantage of” or “being scammed by” this or that group. They love stories about immigrants exploiting the system, cheating or stealing because it proves their worldview that what’s foreign and unknown is out to get them. It is an ideology driven by fear.
Yes but it somehow seems to resonate more than it should. I wonder if some people have an innate need for being told what to do. I absolutely don’t, I’m very anti-authoritarian. But really the religious conservative life is pretty shit. You have to go to church, have all these boring life rules, you can’t have sex with other consensual adults, etc etc. Being left-wing is much more free. Yet people choose to follow religion. I think the indoctrination as a child plays a role in this but I don’t really think it would catch on so much if it didn’t fill an innate need.
People like rules that are clearly defined.
They don’t like gray areas.
Because of the cognitive work involved. People do not want to think about things. They want to know them.
It’s not about authoritarianism, it’s about the features of our brains and biology. Learning is literally a painful process for the brain and people avoid it. Not any different than how physical exercise is painful and people avoid it.
People who seek to learn, just like people who seek physical exercise, have re-wired their brain to enjoy those things than by default, they would not.
I am honestly not surprised.
I knew some people in the calvinist bible-belt regions in Holland (they’re very strict, a bit similar to mormon, almost amish-like in terms of strictness except not having any aversion to technology). For example washing a car on sunday is absolutely out of the question and most people wear black those days. If you don’t show up in church the whole village will hate you.
Anyway so the video rental shops in those regions were buzzing with the worst kinda porn. One of my friends managed video rental shop and he said the relative porn amount was 2-3x bigger than in the city areas.
This is for people for whom porn is highly illegal according to their religion. Somehow it causes some kind of attraction for them.
I’m very atheist and sex-positive and very much into kink, polyamory etc but it was never because of the ‘forbidden’ element for me. So I find it hard to understand that. But I’ve definitely seen it being a big thing yes.
Anything that is taboo is attractive.
Easiest way to make kids not interested in something is for their parents to do it. Easiest way to get them interested is for their parents to forbid them from it.
Pot consumption among teens is plummeting, now that it’s legalized and teens see it as something that their lame parents like doing, rather than something cool and illegal.
Interesting, but not sure the data proves the headline. The best they can say is that such searches originating from red states are a significant portion of all US searches.
Obsessed: no definition or evidence to support this.
Republicans: not a definitive connection, though plausible.
I don’t want to say this is irresponsible reporting, but it’s not factually accurate either.
It’s bait. Take a vague dataset, and draw overgeneralized conclusions from it to play into people’s biases and hostilities.
And people LOVE it. They want to believe that republicans are all evil transphobes who are sitting around masturbating at trans porn all day, because it makes them feel good about themselves to setup these strawmen compare themselves too.
The truth of course, is far more nuanced and complex, but people don’t want to learn. They want to hate-masturbate and ego-stroke.
Oh and let’s not forget, all religion is bad and evil and hates sex!
Oh and let’s not forget, all religion is bad and evil and hates sex!
Nobody said that. Talk about straw men!
What are you smoking? basically every lemmy thread has that, and it’s in this thread. Lots of lemmy users are angst atheist types who are think anyone who is remotely religious is a fundamentalist and are completely ignorant of moderate or reformist sects that make up the majority of believers.
