• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    do you see the distinction between making an appointment and “occupying” a common space in a congressional office building?

    Largely in how it is reported. You can make an appointment and your Congressman can fail to show. There is no consequence.

    You can go to a Congressman’s office and camp out waiting to speak to them, and that’s a crime.

    Demonstrations are not allowed inside Congressional Buildings

    Passive Voice. Who made this rule? Who enforces it? Who is it enforced against? What is the purpose of the rule?

    How do you picture people making requests for the government to do things in a world where lobbying is illegal?

    Lobbying IS illegal, outside the channels of private donation and sponsored solicitation.

    You cannot demand to see your Congressman and your Congressman is under no obligation to speak with you. Any attempt to approach your Congressman without permission is a crime.

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      Lobbying IS illegal, outside the channels of private donation and sponsored solicitation.

      https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt1-7-13-5/ALDE_00013494/

      That’s patently untrue, and why the distinction matters between what we have, which is lobbying where corporate entities can create a quid-pro-quo situation rather easily, and what any reasonable person would support: people telling their represtitives their interests and how best to represent them.
      Sending a letter is lobbying. A phone call or email is lobbying.

      You’re not upset that lobbying is legal, you’re upset that people with the ability to offer things more valuable than their personal vote as an individual aren’t stopped from doing it.

      So again, how do you envision people asking for things from their represtitives that isn’t just “properly regulated lobbying” rephrased?

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        2 days ago

        That’s patently untrue

        It is evidenced by constituent lobbyists being dragged out of Congress in handcuffs

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          2 days ago

          Yes, because “can’t hold a demonstration in one office building” is precisely the same as “no citizen right to petition their representative”.

          Are you just picking bits you think you can argue against and ignoring everything else? What’s the point of that?

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            1 day ago

            “can’t hold a demonstration in one office building” is precisely the same as “no citizen right to petition their representative”.

            When you’re locked out from your rep, you have no legal mechanism to get their attention

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              Again, you’re reducing not being able to protest inside a specific office building to not being able to communicate with them, see them, or protest them.

              Considering you seem to be basing this off of, generously, a few instances of people being arrested for protesting inside congressional offices with no context for how many people do communicate with their representative, and you’re arguing against “people should be able to talk to their representative, and the problem is people with more influence than their individual vote”, I’m honestly not sure what your point is. It doesn’t seem like you disagree with what the word means.