I don’t think Carney was playing nice. He’s pragmatic. It is going to take a long time for Canada to shift off exporting to the US. May as well sell what we can until we have other markets. He’s just using Trump’s language to flatter him because, why not, it’s free, and often works. I don’t think Carney, or 90% of Canadians, believe our long term solution is to go back to the way things were with the US. That relationship is dead and gone.
He is really good at playing the “game” and right now it is easy because he opponents are idiots. You don’t lead two central banks without learning how to navigate through politics.
So sick of news about his bullshit. For discussion’s sake, I’m wondering if anyone here shares my view with regard to dealing with his threats:
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Carney needs to stop trying to play nice with this clown. The Canadian people will not get shit from him.
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Canadian media needs to stop reacting to his shenanigans all the time in outrage or fear because it legitimizes him as a tyrant. We need to be mentally prepared for the worst but play it cool. Make him aware that we know that he’s a fucking moron—not a big scary yank emperor that he wants to be seen as. “President of Israeli colony and Epstein File headliner shakes baby-sized fists at Canada in anger… Again” would be a much better title, no?
Honestly the world should fucking laugh at MAGA.
The only time they collectively freaked the fuck out was when Walz was calling him weird. The media had a conniption that someone spoke such a blatant truth to people.
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I can’t imagine the Canadian people not revolting at a forced annexation, and the moron needs to be removed because of this type of bullshit.
We have plenty of guns. We don’t use them to shoot up schools, but we have some good ideas about what they can be used for. Show up and find out, MAGA.
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Why do so many presumably educated people not know how fascism works? It’s gone down the same way every time in history and there’s no reason it would be different now. You can’t appease it or go along with it, everyone is consumed in the end because that’s how fascism fucking works.
Neoliberals are fucking morons. They are best described as fascism’s PR team
I think lots of presumably educated people underestimate how fascist Trump can be. It’s not that they don’t know how fascist ideology works, it’s more like they can’t come to terms that the worst predictions about blatantly fascist Trump get are still not pessimistic enough.
And also, I don’t think the “appeasement” of fascists come purely from not realizing that they’re dealing with fascism. It’s more like a tight rope where you know you’re fucked but if you play it right you can reduce damages. While I’d love to tell Trump to eat shit, that can’t be our foreign relations policy.
You don’t appease fascists and bullies.
I think the article’s “appeasement” angle is pretty bullshit.
No one in NATO is boosting military spending to appease Donald Trump - it’s the inevitable response to the realization that the largest NATO contributor is unreliable.
The recent “MAGA” line was an appeal to American investors to spend money here. It appropriated Trump’s language, but that’s the opposite of what he wants.
Carney campaigned in decreased reliance on the US, not on severing all ties.
Actual examples of appeasement would be things like ending the digital services tax, and I’m sure we’ll see more like it when the CUSMA talks get started.
Thanks for this and you hit the nail on the head. Fighting openly with Trump is exactly what he wants and will just escalate things. You always have to smile, nod, take a deep breath and play the long game with him
Adding some much needed nuance to the conversation
Trump demanded increased NATO spending and the countries did it. This isn’t rocket science.
MAGA is a white supremacist phrase through and through. There is no excuse for repeating it.
And Carney did cancel the DST, and is fast-tracking LNG projects owned by Trump allies, and continues to put money down of F-35s, and now cancelled the streaming tax. Oh and signed contracts with a little old company called Palantir.
Genuinely asking: what would he have to do? Where is the line?
Appeasement would be things like worrying about the US’s reaction and increasing reliance on them. Or doing stupid things like assisting Trump with his little Middle East hissyfit when he keeps asking.
Instead we’re making deals with China, America’s biggest enemy, and we’re deeply increasing ties with the EU, to the point that EU leaders are joking about membership.
Unfortunately, we do have deep ties to the US, that we’ve built over centuries, deliberately suiciding that relationship would be economically catastrophic, and I have to say I’m really happy with how quickly we’re working to build external relationships.
Our reliance on the US is rapidly decreasing, and we’re building relationships for our key industries, such as large defence contracts with the EU, where we can now sell weapons there on similar terms as member states.
That said, I’m as unhappy as anyone with stuff like the Palantir deal, and I don’t know that we need F-35s either, but these things move really slowly, and I’m sympathetic that there’s good reasons not to rock the boat with the US more than necessary. We’re fighting plenty on the really important things, we can’t die on every hill without directly hurting the quality of life of Canadians.
Our reliance on the US is rapidly decreasing
based on what metric? Carney is pushing for increased oil extraction by US companies, and LNG terminals owned by Trump allies. Just in the last day or two Canada cancelled the streaming tax. Then there’s the combo of Bill C-22 and the CLOUD act, which would essentially share ALL our data with the US surveillance state. Canada is routinely turning over refugees to ICE. The federal government continues to sign contracts with companies like Garda and Roshel who are contracting with ICE. We have failed to do anything to help Cuba - yet Mexico is doing so and is suffering no horrifying consequences. And when Carney invokes MAGA we think he’s just playing games? What would it take to change your mind?
Trump demanded increased NATO spending and the countries did it. This isn’t rocket science.
No, it’s not rocket science. Trump continually threatens to abandon NATO and its allies, so everyone else has to pick up the slack. Not because he wants it, but because it’s an absolute necessity. I really don’t see a credible argument that Canada shouldn’t be investing in defence.
MAGA is a white supremacist phrase through and through. There is no excuse for repeating it.
A defensible position to take, but I think Carney’s intent in using it is fairly clear, whether you agree with it or not.
And Carney did cancel the DST
That’s why I used it as an example. The article should have, but didn’t. There are a number of things that could legitmately be held up as examples of “appeasement,” but I don’t think the article did so.
No, it’s not rocket science. Trump continually threatens to abandon NATO and its allies, so everyone else has to pick up the slack. Not because he wants it, but because it’s an absolute necessity. I really don’t see a credible argument that Canada shouldn’t be investing in defence.
No one is saying “Canada shouldn’t be investing in defence”, they are saying we shouldn’t be doubling or tripling our military budget to satisfy Trump’s demands, and that we should take a “diplomacy first” approach to conflict. Anyway, for comparison: Iran’s total military budget IIRC is $8 billion. We already spend many times this amount. Besides, NATO has only ever come to the aid of the US, never the other way around.
we shouldn’t be doubling or tripling our military budget to satisfy Trump’s demands
I simply don’t think many people would agree that that’s the reason we’re doing it.
policy by polling is not a good way to form your own opinion. Do you think we should be doubling or tripling our military budget?
I thought it was pretty clear that I do, for the reasons already stated.
Trump demanded increased NATO spending and the countries did it.
Yes, but Trump assumed they would do that spending with the USA’s millitary vendors.
And then those countries that he has been threatening and bullying decided to find better suppliers!
we have continued to put down money on more F-35s. Most of the suppliers at CANSEC were American. Do you have numbers to share on your claims here?
Appeasement never works. In fact, it always has the opposite effect. He just doubles down as soon as he sees “weakness”. You either fight him until he backs down, or he’ll roll right over you.
Fuck Trump. Carney needs to do what we voted for him to do, and fight.
Carney literally did the whole speech about appeasement is bad and that’s all he’s being doing
Unless you’re like, you know, paying attention.
Appeasement doesnt exactly have a great track record as a strategy… 😅
Maybe a different strategy? Please?
Just spinning the Wheel of Distraction at this point
You cannot appease the orange shitbag
At least you shouldn’t appease it
Shut the fuck up, Donnie.
