The whole furry thing is creepy as hell. It’s weird. Wanting to have sex with anthropomorphized animals is not a thing that should be normalized.
And it’s even creepier when they add things like “kitten” or showing anthropomorphized animal kids.
And thank you to Unruffled [they/them] / Flatworm7591 @lemmy.dbzer0.com for this sane and reasonable response.
And thanks to recursive_recursion who seems to be an alt of Flatworm for continuing that sane and reasonable response. Note that in over 1,400 comments here I’ve never once said a single word against trans people. Not once.
It really bothers me when people lie about racism. So many people really do experience it so much in life, and lying using false racism accusations as a sword and shield to make other people look bad and make themselves look like the victim is demeaning to every real instance people suffer.
Hopefully one day this person realizes that lying about transphobia for the same reasons does the same thing.
I don’t mind what consenting adults do in their bedroom.
I very much mind when there’s a furries-day-out and they’re encouraging children to hug them for pictures and the like. I don’t know who is behind the mask and that sets off alarm bells for me.
It was odd to go to the zoo and see dozens of furries enjoying watching the caged animals.
Hi - I’ve got, not a fursuit per se, but a full-body costume that I wear to basically any event where it’s appropriate to do so. It is very common for parents to come and ask to take their kids’ pictures with me, not the other way around. I have in fact never approached anyone looking to have a picture taken, but kids still come interact with me - with their parents present - all the time.
You can certainly make the argument that that’s irresponsible on the parents’ behalf because, asd you note, nobody can tell who I am, but blaming furries for that is just wild.
Re: the zoo, furries tend, generally speaking, to be very pro-animal rights. Furries as a whole donate a lot of money to animal-benefiting charities and whatnot. (Most furry conventions include fundraising for some charity or another.) Furries also just tend to enjoy animals in general, and zoos tend to be the easiest place to go to see non-domesticated animals, so I’m not sure why you’d be surprised to see furries there.
I’m relaying an experience I’ve personally had with furries inviting children to take pictures with them while we were at the zoo.
I live in an area where it’s pretty common for furry events or meetups to happen at a regular occurrence.
It’s not that I’m surprised furries congregate at zoos. It’s that the sexualization of animals in the community feels weird to me to see them observing caged animals.
I grew up with deviantart around and the furry community has always presented as incredibly sexualized in my experience. It’s hard to separate that out these days.
There’s a pretty big divide between sexualizing animals and sexually explicit art of anthropomorphic characters. I think you’ll find that furries, as a whole, tend to be incredibly averse to the sexualization of actual animals, and to people who do so.
It’s hard to see that divide outside of furry circles is more my point.
I don’t say anything or try to ruin their fun if I see furries out and about, just to be clear. It raises some questions internally because of how the furry world has been presented to me.
How has it been presented to you, and by whom? If you’re getting your information from sources intending to be detractors, then, sure, I can understand your viewpoint. If you’re getting your information from furries who actually participate in the community, I don’t understand your perspective at all.
I’m an older millennial that has been involved in queer and kink communities for decades. This is what I’ve gleaned from being terminally online and living in an area that is very popular for furries.
I’m not in furry circles because I am not a furry. But that’s also why I’ve been asking sincere questions through this thread to learn. I’m always open to learning more about different cultures. The only thing that gives me pause about any kink or fetish or community is the involving others in kink without their consent.
Well, just scrolling through social spaces on the internet shows many sexualized images of anthropomorphized animals. That’s the thing most people are going to see. It’s not like I’ve been reading and buying in to anti-furry propaganda, the sexualization is something anyone who spends too much time online is going to run into constantly.
If your main exposure was deviantart as you said above, a website specifically tailored to nsfw art… Thats like saying your only experience with trans people is from pornhub… Your looking at the overtly sexualized part of the life not the day to day.
Let’s be clear here - that was my first exposure to the furry community. Not my main exposure.
When I was first on deviantart, it was decidedly not specifically tailored to NSFW art. It hosted a LOT of SFW art. This was 20+ years ago.
Also the contraction of “you are” is “you’re”, just a heads up.
Shes saying she saw them at the zoo though. That, is… certainly a choice no?
Sorry, are you implying that… they were at the zoo for sexual gratification…?
I know furries get really offended by this, so please keep an open mind here-
The majority of furry anything that I’ve seen over decades of being online and in queer and kink communities have been sexual. So yes, I wouldn’t be surprised if some furries that go to the zoo are doing so with some sort of sexual desire in mind. The entirety of the community started as a kink or fetish as far as I can tell. I’m happy to stand corrected on this though.
So, this is a website dedicated to the results of a fairly large-scale survey of furries covering all kinds of topics, conducted by a couple scientists. It’s generally considered to be a fairly accurate cross-section of the demographics represented.
This is specifically the section related to porn, and kind of addresses exactly what you’re describing.
Rather than trying to influence you further, I’ll just let you read through that if you want to and draw your own conclusions, but I’d be happy to discuss it with you once you have, if you wish.
Thank you so much for the sources! I love a good survey :)
It’s really evolved beyond that, at least from what I can tell. I feel like being a furry is just a lifestyle at this point. It’s not all about sexual aspects anymore, it’s become a culture and an identity. You just don’t really tend to see that aspect from the outside very often, or when people do they just assume it’s still a sex thing.
The weird part comes from a lot of people not realizing it’s a sexual thing. Adults and kids both. It was only relatively recently I’ve heard of people wearing those suits for other things. That seems weird too, honestly. It would be like if people started wearing gimp outfits to family events and having parents ask if their kids can get a photo with them.
Even if not all people in gimp outfits are wearing them for sexual reasons, it’s still a thing that’s part of a sexual fetish. People starting to wear them to family events because kids who don’t understand that think it looks neat would be creepy.
Cakes are part of a sexual fetish; does that make all cakes weird? Should we not have them in public, or at kids’ birthdays? The fact that that isn’t their primary function probably suggests that no, they’re fine.
But people aren’t wearing cakes and interacting with people that are unsuspecting that it is a fetish.
In my experience it seems like the furry thing was heavily to primarily sexually focused from the start. That’s why I compared it to gimp suits, not to cake.
Sure, and you’ve been given the wrong impression. Much as with anything humans are involved with, it’s been sexualized in some segments - I know people who want to fuck mining equipment - but that isn’t at all representative of wthe whole subculture. You’re only seeing the “weird sex pervert” thing because that’s an easy way to attack a group (look at how trans people are being presented), not because that’s an accurate representation of the group given to you by well-informed authorities on the subject. It’s unfortunately the effects of pretty straightforward bigotry.
I’m in my late 40s and have been an internet nerd since chatting on usenet before ICQ was a thing… I’ve watched the fandom grow. It’s difficult to take someone saying the sex part isn’t sort of a big deal when it’s a community that seems to have mostly spread online and the sexualization has always been front and center. These days scrolling Reddit, Bluesky, and many other places online you’re pretty much guaranteed to see images of sexualized anthropomorphized animals.
We are open about sex, however that does not mean the fandom is centered on sex we just don’t avoid it.
You mean to say that there’s porn on the internet? Dear god, someone fetch me my clutching pearls! And they’re going so far as to sexualize women, too?!? Clearly, that must mean everyone out there, wearing human clothes, attending human events with children, they must be doing it because they’re all sex perverts who only want to trick the other humans into sexy sexing times! Disgusting!
The ones wearing their lingerie, gimp suits, strap-ons, and other items they use as part of their private sexual life just might be.
I don’t care what consenting adults do with one another either, but the furry art and all of it has become so normalized that things like that happen. People are allowed to have weird sexual fetishes, but having them wear those costumes and play with kids who just see it as cute animal mascots is sketchy as hell, and the leering at zoo animals is just weird.
Like… it’s fine if two grown adults like to cover themselves in mayonnaise and do unusual things to one another with pine cones. But by fine I mean “you’re not hurting anyone, you’re both willing participants, so there’s nothing inherently immoral about it.” I don’t mean fine as in “this is totally sane and normal and you should not feel any sort of shame in it and should celebrate it publicly and hold MayoPiners festivals and introduce kids to your lifestyle.”
The costumes(with some exceptions) are just costumes though, not everyone who has a fursuit is even into the kinky stuff, you seem to be making a lot of assumptions and generalizations. It’s not all sexual.
If anything you might be the one oversexualizing here
How do you tell if someone wearing a fur suit is into the kinky stuff or not? I can’t tell out in public personally.
I’m asking sincerely as I don’t mind furries generally. To each their own and all that! But I do mind when people are involving others in their kink without consent.
Same way you go around assuming most people aren’t wearing vibrators and butt plugs in public, because some definitely do but it’s probably best not to make negative assumptions about people.
Personally though I don’t even mind if people do kink in public so long as on a functional level it’s not noticeable or at risk of making others uncomfortable.
Mm that’s a good point on the wearable sex toys. I’ll make negative assumptions about people wearing those and knowingly involving non-consenting people in the kink though. Even if the other people are unaware. That’s creepy and borders on rape-like tendencies.
It’s directly involving non consenting, unaware, people in their sexual fetish. It’s definitely creepy and not okay.
Yeah that’s the line for me with any kink or fetish. You can’t involve others without their consent and still be morally correct.
I don’t think this actually is the line though, take masturbation for example, most folk masturbate to other people they know, technically this is involving others in a sexual way without consent but it’s considered completely ok and normal because ultimately you’re not doing anything TO them.
Same with wearing a buttplug in public, is it kinda strange? Yeah, sure, you can even say it’s offputting and I would at least in some cases agree, but on a moral level you’re not doing anything TO anyone, that’s in my eyes the real line, if they don’t know and have no way of knowing then it’s not really causing harm.
Compare it to say flashing strangers in public, now you’re doing something TO people, without consent and that is bad.
So does masturbation usually. I think you need a more detailed explanation of what actually makes a thing wrong and where that line is.
No, it doesn’t. There’s a huge distinction between the natural human act of masturbation possibly imagining a person in your head but not involving them in any way in reality, and secretly masturbating while sitting next to others in public and very literally involving them in your fetish.
Pretty easy does the suit have “holes”
Are the holes in the sex fur suits really obvious or something? I wouldn’t know which is why I’m asking.
BIG ZIPPER also those are called murr suits not fur suits… they are generally a lot less nice and more functional. I don’t own either but have thought of getting one of the really thin printed fabric types to go with my hood.
You want people to be more understanding of furry culture? Don’t answer sincere questions like this.
With honesty?
Oh come on, I’m being sincere here. Wouldn’t there be zippers regardless to get in and out of the suit?
Are the zippers really obvious when it’s a sex suit vs a fur suit?
yes, they are made to be operated with gloved hands
Like I’m going to ask or look that closely at someone in public?
You would see it from 10 to 20ft away assuming you have decent vision
Right. I’m the one over sexualizing the anthropomorphized animals people post blatantly sexual pictures of all over the internet. My mistake.
I’m not denying SOME of it is sexual, but what you’re doing is assuming that MOST or ALL of it is sexual, which is both wrong and also the result of cognitive biases and a good example of why extrapolation from anecdotes is a bad idea especially when it’s fueled by confirmation bias
The Internet is full of those sexualized pictures. The pictures came before the suits were something most people could easily buy.
The sexualization started before people started wearing them in public for other things. The only reason the response wasn’t people freaking out was most didn’t know that and kids just see cute animal mascots.
It still seems like forcing the public to participate in a fetish without consent.
This is it. 25 years ago you couldnt easily buy a fursuit. All of my expierence with furries have been sexual dipictions and art online. its all sexual (that ive seen). Even the one furry couple i met at a party, they werent in dress, and him and his girl tried to “pick me up” and I declined, but someone told me after they were furries. I didnt care, but ive never seen it presented out of a sexual context. And this is a new thing, it’s new to a lot of people for the fact you couldnt get these outfits so easily a decade ot two ago. So its new, it is odd, not to use this word odd in a negitive way, but objectivly its odd, and many dont understand.
so you grow up online seeing sexual furry art everywhere, and then now today see a furry …at the zoo(come on)… the mental connection is visceral from the only other exposure outsiders have seen.
I honestly find it irresponsible this group that went to a zoo.
because of this connection of fur suits and sexual fetish, it very hard for some outsiders not to feel like its unconsentually exposing this fetish to the public.
This mirrors my experience really closely. It all presented as sexual from the start.
There’s a furry community in my area that specifically targets people from the age of 13-23 years old for their gatherings. I find that problematic as well.
Can you please stop trying to work backwards from your conclusion to the supporting evidence.
I got into the fandom from reading Ozzy and Millie https://ozyandmillie.org/
I have no idea what you’re talking about, that doesn’t seem like a response to the comment you responded to. It’s definitely not me saying how you got interested in anything.