Countries with souvereignity usually have a capitalistic elite. For the elite that’s enough, but for the people?
Without the USSR the US would have been able to treat the countries much earlier like they treat South America. I doubt that people would have been happy with it. But they would hate Russia much less.
Well with the USSR, countries were occupied, countless people murdered and exiled, families destroyed, and forcefully replaced with russians who would influence the future of their states forever.
What the USSR did with russification is just like what the israelies are doing in the west bank with their “settlers”. The USSR was an imperialist colonizer and was fucking awful; not some heroic response to the west.
Sent there by a Georgian. Unless people want to end Communism, what does it matter if there are resettled people? The party had to create work for everybody.
The EU has free movement. It will end the same way, only that there will be an elite that owns everything but doesn’t share.
is just like what the israelies are doing in the west bank with their “settlers”.
I have read about resettlements gone wrong but has the USSR resettled people without offering new land?
It “had to create work for everybody”? By deporting native people from their land and replacing them with russians? That sounds normal to you?
Without offering new land? russia straight up stole the land from these people and gave them to russians in the name of their fake communism which just meant shipping resources to moscow as the expense of the countries they illegally occupied.
By deporting native people from their land and replacing them with russians?
Was it entire people or just the elite?
which just meant shipping resources to moscow as the expense of the countries they illegally occupied.
Do you have numbers? I have seen numbers that like before the war, Russia exported oil for cheap. The fewer resources compared to today were caused by the smaller economy.
Here’s just Estonia:
SOVIET REPRESSION AND DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES IN ESTONIA
Before Soviet occupation:
Population of Estonia: ~1.13 million
Ethnic Estonians: ~1.0 million (~88%)
Ethnic Russians: ~90,000 (~8%)
Soviet repression:
People deported from Estonia: ~50,000
June 1941 mass deportation: ~10,000
March 1949 mass deportation: ~20,000–21,000
Men forcibly mobilized and transported into the USSR in 1941: ~32,000–34,000
People murdered, imprisoned, or deported by the Soviet regime: more than 75,000
Identified victims who were killed or died in imprisonment/forced resettlement and never returned: more than 22,000
By 1989, near the end of Soviet occupation:
Population of Estonia: ~1.57 million
Ethnic Estonians: ~963,000 (61.5%)
Ethnic Russians: ~475,000 (~30%)
Ukrainians: ~48,000
Belarusians: ~28,000
Demographic change:
Ethnic Russian population increased from ~90,000 to ~475,000
Net increase in ethnic Russian population: ~385,000
Estonian share of the population fell from ~88% to 61.5%
Despite nearly 50 years passing, there were slightly fewer ethnic Estonians living in Estonia in 1989 than before Soviet occupation.
This isn’t some Russo phobia or anti communism thing. What they have done is fucking awful and anyone who spews some bullshit about NATO expanding and threatening russia can go fuck themselves. Russia represents an existential threat to its neighbors and it has no one to blame for that sentiment besides itself.
What I don’t understand is the logic of the resettlement. Most migrants are in one county close to Russia. That’s only a bit more helpful to influence the population than having them live across the border in Russia.
What would have happened if they had let the countries keep their sovereignity?
Why? Is countries having their souvereignty and agency not enough?
Least of all eastern Europe might not hate Russia as much as they do now.
Countries with souvereignity usually have a capitalistic elite. For the elite that’s enough, but for the people?
Without the USSR the US would have been able to treat the countries much earlier like they treat South America. I doubt that people would have been happy with it. But they would hate Russia much less.
Well with the USSR, countries were occupied, countless people murdered and exiled, families destroyed, and forcefully replaced with russians who would influence the future of their states forever.
What the USSR did with russification is just like what the israelies are doing in the west bank with their “settlers”. The USSR was an imperialist colonizer and was fucking awful; not some heroic response to the west.
Sent there by a Georgian. Unless people want to end Communism, what does it matter if there are resettled people? The party had to create work for everybody. The EU has free movement. It will end the same way, only that there will be an elite that owns everything but doesn’t share.
I have read about resettlements gone wrong but has the USSR resettled people without offering new land?
It “had to create work for everybody”? By deporting native people from their land and replacing them with russians? That sounds normal to you?
Without offering new land? russia straight up stole the land from these people and gave them to russians in the name of their fake communism which just meant shipping resources to moscow as the expense of the countries they illegally occupied.
Was it entire people or just the elite?
Do you have numbers? I have seen numbers that like before the war, Russia exported oil for cheap. The fewer resources compared to today were caused by the smaller economy.
Here’s just Estonia: SOVIET REPRESSION AND DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES IN ESTONIA
Before Soviet occupation:
Population of Estonia: ~1.13 million
Ethnic Estonians: ~1.0 million (~88%)
Ethnic Russians: ~90,000 (~8%)
Soviet repression:
People deported from Estonia: ~50,000
June 1941 mass deportation: ~10,000
March 1949 mass deportation: ~20,000–21,000
Men forcibly mobilized and transported into the USSR in 1941: ~32,000–34,000
People murdered, imprisoned, or deported by the Soviet regime: more than 75,000
Identified victims who were killed or died in imprisonment/forced resettlement and never returned: more than 22,000
By 1989, near the end of Soviet occupation:
Population of Estonia: ~1.57 million
Ethnic Estonians: ~963,000 (61.5%)
Ethnic Russians: ~475,000 (~30%)
Ukrainians: ~48,000
Belarusians: ~28,000
Demographic change:
Ethnic Russian population increased from ~90,000 to ~475,000
Net increase in ethnic Russian population: ~385,000
Estonian share of the population fell from ~88% to 61.5%
Despite nearly 50 years passing, there were slightly fewer ethnic Estonians living in Estonia in 1989 than before Soviet occupation.
This isn’t some Russo phobia or anti communism thing. What they have done is fucking awful and anyone who spews some bullshit about NATO expanding and threatening russia can go fuck themselves. Russia represents an existential threat to its neighbors and it has no one to blame for that sentiment besides itself.
I asked for numbers about:
What your numbers don’t show is the class war. The people who were deported, were they part of the elite or regular citizens?
It also seems like the migrants are not only Russians:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Estonia
What I don’t understand is the logic of the resettlement. Most migrants are in one county close to Russia. That’s only a bit more helpful to influence the population than having them live across the border in Russia.