Apart from fringe neonazi groups, nobody really hates jews for being jews.
Look, I think Israel is a monstrosity that doesn’t deserve to exist, and any Israeli institutions should be dismantled, but I doubt that nobody, nor just a small group of people in the US govt hate Jewish people as a whole. One cannot look at the Holocaust that was supported by Henry Ford and whose perpetrators worked with the CIA and say that such a thing is all in the past. The Crusades were not all in the past, the Atlantic Slave Trade was not all in the past, nor the colonization of the Americas. The US ruling class will frequently give out phony apologies and crumbs of reparations in brief attempts to distinguish themselves from Hitlerites, but that will always fail. In this case, Israel was not even for Jews, it was for expansion into the Middle East.
None of these trillions to Israel ever go toward efforts to put former Hitlerites out of power. None of these trillions actually help any one who is not a Capitalist.
but I doubt that nobody, nor just a small group of people in the US govt hate Jewish people as a whole.
Literally nobody hates the jews for being Jewish. And even if they do, they are not powerful people. Jews are not oppressed in modern society. Jews are extremely privileged.
my gran was an antisemite. not the frothing at the mouth “let’s kill them all” variety, but an antisemite nevertheless. in europe at least, the ruling class could whip up the dormant sentiment at any time, i think. it’s just that they dont need to now, because 1) there are muslims, 2) the holocaust was broadly successful in that it killed a good chunk of european jewery and made another good chunk emigrate to US/israel, so there are fewer jews and 3) european jewery is fascist enough now to be accepted
the ruling class could whip up the dormant sentiment at any time
The ruling class could isolate and whip up anti-minority sentiment against anyone. Right now, in europe, this is Muslims and immigrants. Whichever is convenient. The Jews are not special in this regard. In fact, it’s the opposite. Jews are not a minority anymore in any country. They are like white south Africans. They’re the majority ruling class.
Why are we talking about Jews anyways. There are 8 billion people in the world. How many Jews are there? Like 10 million? There are probably random villages in China that have more people. There’s a genocide going on. Focus on that. Focus on opposing the Zionist entity and the Jews that run it. Any focus on anti-Semitism is a betrayal of your support for Palestinian resistance. It’s diverting attention away from what truly matters right now.
If it helps my Gran is a “shoot down all the boats” variety islamophobe.
I can certainly understand why “Israel” looks alluring from the surface, so there may be a part of you that would be sad to see it go. Avoid the temptation. While I can’t blame you feeling disappointed,
I’m sorry what the fuck is this? Why are you coddling literal zionists? Literally those who would feel sad to see Israel go would be the zionists. Now why would you want to suck up to these people?
“I can certainly understand why Israel looks alluring” fuck you. I don’t understand that. Nobody understands that. If you understand that that’s not a good look on you.
Why the fuck do you refer to Israel as a neocolony? It is not a neocolony. It’s a proper colony. It’s a proper settler colony. Why are you doing propaganda for pissrael?
Hamas and the IDF alike can inadvertently harm Jewish civilians through explosives and firefights
What civilians? There are no Jewish civilians in pissrael. Very few. Especially in frontier settlements, there are no civilians there. There are settlers. Not civilians. Those people have guns and are mostly IDF vets. If anybody were to hurt said settlers, that’s a good thing. Palestinians have a right to defend themselves against the settlers.
A colonized people have the right to fight back using any means necessary. They can shoot maim kill or separate their scalp from their heads. This right is inherent to all people. Anything is justified against settlers. Literally anything
You ask the Egyptians the south africans the Vietnamese the Indians they’ll all show you people who’ve done violence against settlers who they celebrate. The Jews in Israel do not get harmed by the Zionist project, rather they benefit from it, massively. That’s why they do it. The settlers don’t have to live there. They choose to.
It’s quite funny you said the Zionist entity hurts Jewish diversity, as if that matters. Yes, white Jews are treated better than black Jews, but white people are treated better everywhere in all countries. And even a black jew in occupied Palestine enjoys far more privileges than most people on earth.
It doesn’t really matter if people on twitter are racist to you when you live in a stolen home on occupied territory that you got for free.
What’s next? White supremacy is bad for white people because some of them have to wear a hood sometimes and that’s uncomfortable?
Please don’t make separate replies to address multiple points. It’s distracting.
Why the fuck do you refer to Israel as a neocolony?
Because it is formally independent from Europe but is otherwise reliant on both it and its late-stage colonies.
What civilians? There are no Jewish civilians in pissrael. Very few.
What about children? They don’t count?
Anything is justified against settlers. Literally anything
I agree that people have the right to repel and defend theirselves against settlers, but implying that even rape and torture are fine is just embarrassing.
The Jews in Israel do not get harmed by the Zionist project, rather they benefit from it, massively.
It is a little more complicated than that, though, because if you finished reading my topic, you would have understood that living in that piss bucket comes with caveats, much like how living in the dump that is Imperial America comes with numerous caveats. Yes, even for White folk. I don’t know about you, but living on stolen land doesn’t sound all that great when you have to be raised in a shitty, hyperindividualist culture that repeatedly traumatized you for the rest of your life. I hate to state the obvious, but — contrary to what the Herzlians want us to believe — the occupation is not a utopia.
Yes, white Jews are treated better than black Jews, but white people are treated better everywhere in all countries.
Ah, good, so you acknowledge that saying ‘Jewish people today are a privileged subset of white people’ was misleading seeing as how Jews of color exist.
And even a black jew in occupied Palestine enjoys far more privileges than most people on earth.
Sure, but that does not make their disadvantages irrelevant. The occupation discriminating against Jews of color is another reason to oppose it.
What’s next? White supremacy is bad for white people because some of them have to wear a hood sometimes and that’s uncomfortable?
I understand why people are disinterested in having a discussion about how White supremacy comes with caveats for Whites, much like how I can see why many women don’t care if neopatriarchy comes with caveats for blokes. The reason is obvious: Whites aren’t White supremacy’s biggest victims, so it’s natural to be disinterested in that subject. Therefore, if you don’t want to see me name any examples of how maybe White supremacy isn’t all that great for Whites, I’ll understand. I talk about Herzlianism’s caveats for Jews to help dissuade others from supporting the occupation. Admittedly, the oppression of Palestinians should be more than enough, but you can’t argue that a discussion about how Zionism harms ordinary Jews somehow makes Zionism look any better.
Because it is formally independent from Europe but is otherwise reliant on both it and its late-stage colonies.
That is not what a neocolony is. What? Lmao
What about children? They don’t count?
What about them? Settlers who bring their children into settlements are abusing their children.
I agree that people have the right to repel and defend theirselves against settlers, but implying that even rape and torture are fine is just embarrassing.
Who implied that rape is fine? Certainly not me. Torture is just fine. Especially against settlers, for example, to extract military information. No it is not embarrassing. Are you doing the whole “Oh Hamas rapes and tortures people” bit? Why not just join the IDF’s hasbara department, at least they will pay you for it.
I hate to state the obvious, but — contrary to what the Herzlians want us to believe — the occupation is not a utopia.
You realize that you are moving goalposts here, yeah? Pissrael can be hyper individualistic or it could be a concrete jungle or you can talk about how life in Pissrael is not so amazing, but the very fact that those settlers are afforded a life in Occupied Palestine is a massive privilege. Jews all over the world materially benefit from Pissrael. Jews in Pissrael benefit from it the most by means of a very high standard of living. There is no question about this. Your description of why life could be bad in Pissrael literally reads like a first world problem.
Ah, good, so you acknowledge that saying ‘Jewish people today are a privileged subset of white people’ was misleading seeing as how Jews of color exist.
No, it is absolutely not misleading. How is that misleading? Jewish people today are a privileged subset of white people. That is true. No matter where you go in most countries, jews are put on a pedestal and pampered. Jews are afforded unfair advantages in many sectors of the economy. They are afforded so many treats in Pissrael itself. A black jew is still a jew, and while a black jew might face racism everywhere in the world (just like any other black person), they are still infinitely more materially privileged than any other black person, or even many white people.
An ordinary white person from Vladivostok couldn’t decide to attain a first world passport and move into a free stolen home and receive thousands of dollars and incredibly high social nets and an extremely high standard of living tomorrow if he wants to, but a black Jew can.
but you can’t argue that a discussion about how Zionism harms ordinary Jews somehow makes Zionism look any better.
That’s not the point. Zionism does not harm Jews. Your premise is false. Zionism benefits Jews massively. Every single Jew in the world is materially better off because of Zionism. To varying degrees, but measurably. Billions are spent on these people by a foreign government, on propaganda, on cultural programmes etc. Did you know that there is a holocaust museum in El Savador? The museum only talks about the Jews, of course, of whom 6 million were dead and does not talk about the 23 million Soviets who were killed. Now, why on Earth does a country that’s several thousands miles away from Germany where practically zero Jews or Germans live have a Holocaust museum? Because Pissrael funds it to maintain a higher social prestige for jews all over the world.
Zionism materially benefits every single Jew. This is just a fact. And that is why you see Jews everywhere supporting Pissrael. From surveys, the vast majority of Jews worldwide, and an overwhelming majority of Jews in Israel support Israel’s actions in Gaza, ergo they are Zionists. Zionism is an ethno supremacist movement and ethnic supremacy is literally meant to materially benefit those that belong that ethnicity.
Zionism is incredibly beneficial to Jews. Any Jew anywhere can literally move to Israel, get a passport and move into a Palestinian home on a state funded programme. The Zionist entity also runs propaganda all over the world for Jews, making sure they are perceived as people to be coddled.
If you wrote that down on a piece of paper, then one could get some use out of what you wrote because it would be good to wipe your bum.
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That’s it buddy! Another $50 trillion to Israel! How antiseptic of you!
Look, I think Israel is a monstrosity that doesn’t deserve to exist, and any Israeli institutions should be dismantled, but I doubt that nobody, nor just a small group of people in the US govt hate Jewish people as a whole. One cannot look at the Holocaust that was supported by Henry Ford and whose perpetrators worked with the CIA and say that such a thing is all in the past. The Crusades were not all in the past, the Atlantic Slave Trade was not all in the past, nor the colonization of the Americas. The US ruling class will frequently give out phony apologies and crumbs of reparations in brief attempts to distinguish themselves from Hitlerites, but that will always fail. In this case, Israel was not even for Jews, it was for expansion into the Middle East.
None of these trillions to Israel ever go toward efforts to put former Hitlerites out of power. None of these trillions actually help any one who is not a Capitalist.
Literally nobody hates the jews for being Jewish. And even if they do, they are not powerful people. Jews are not oppressed in modern society. Jews are extremely privileged.
my gran was an antisemite. not the frothing at the mouth “let’s kill them all” variety, but an antisemite nevertheless. in europe at least, the ruling class could whip up the dormant sentiment at any time, i think. it’s just that they dont need to now, because 1) there are muslims, 2) the holocaust was broadly successful in that it killed a good chunk of european jewery and made another good chunk emigrate to US/israel, so there are fewer jews and 3) european jewery is fascist enough now to be accepted
The ruling class could isolate and whip up anti-minority sentiment against anyone. Right now, in europe, this is Muslims and immigrants. Whichever is convenient. The Jews are not special in this regard. In fact, it’s the opposite. Jews are not a minority anymore in any country. They are like white south Africans. They’re the majority ruling class.
Why are we talking about Jews anyways. There are 8 billion people in the world. How many Jews are there? Like 10 million? There are probably random villages in China that have more people. There’s a genocide going on. Focus on that. Focus on opposing the Zionist entity and the Jews that run it. Any focus on anti-Semitism is a betrayal of your support for Palestinian resistance. It’s diverting attention away from what truly matters right now.
If it helps my Gran is a “shoot down all the boats” variety islamophobe.
Bullshit. Israel is a Jewish ethnostate state made for Jews. Don’t fucking lie.
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/2275177
I’m sorry what the fuck is this? Why are you coddling literal zionists? Literally those who would feel sad to see Israel go would be the zionists. Now why would you want to suck up to these people?
“I can certainly understand why Israel looks alluring” fuck you. I don’t understand that. Nobody understands that. If you understand that that’s not a good look on you.
Why the fuck do you refer to Israel as a neocolony? It is not a neocolony. It’s a proper colony. It’s a proper settler colony. Why are you doing propaganda for pissrael?
What civilians? There are no Jewish civilians in pissrael. Very few. Especially in frontier settlements, there are no civilians there. There are settlers. Not civilians. Those people have guns and are mostly IDF vets. If anybody were to hurt said settlers, that’s a good thing. Palestinians have a right to defend themselves against the settlers.
A colonized people have the right to fight back using any means necessary. They can shoot maim kill or separate their scalp from their heads. This right is inherent to all people. Anything is justified against settlers. Literally anything
You ask the Egyptians the south africans the Vietnamese the Indians they’ll all show you people who’ve done violence against settlers who they celebrate. The Jews in Israel do not get harmed by the Zionist project, rather they benefit from it, massively. That’s why they do it. The settlers don’t have to live there. They choose to.
It’s quite funny you said the Zionist entity hurts Jewish diversity, as if that matters. Yes, white Jews are treated better than black Jews, but white people are treated better everywhere in all countries. And even a black jew in occupied Palestine enjoys far more privileges than most people on earth.
It doesn’t really matter if people on twitter are racist to you when you live in a stolen home on occupied territory that you got for free.
What’s next? White supremacy is bad for white people because some of them have to wear a hood sometimes and that’s uncomfortable?
Please don’t make separate replies to address multiple points. It’s distracting.
Because it is formally independent from Europe but is otherwise reliant on both it and its late-stage colonies.
What about children? They don’t count?
I agree that people have the right to repel and defend theirselves against settlers, but implying that even rape and torture are fine is just embarrassing.
It is a little more complicated than that, though, because if you finished reading my topic, you would have understood that living in that piss bucket comes with caveats, much like how living in the dump that is Imperial America comes with numerous caveats. Yes, even for White folk. I don’t know about you, but living on stolen land doesn’t sound all that great when you have to be raised in a shitty, hyperindividualist culture that repeatedly traumatized you for the rest of your life. I hate to state the obvious, but — contrary to what the Herzlians want us to believe — the occupation is not a utopia.
Ah, good, so you acknowledge that saying ‘Jewish people today are a privileged subset of white people’ was misleading seeing as how Jews of color exist.
Sure, but that does not make their disadvantages irrelevant. The occupation discriminating against Jews of color is another reason to oppose it.
I understand why people are disinterested in having a discussion about how White supremacy comes with caveats for Whites, much like how I can see why many women don’t care if neopatriarchy comes with caveats for blokes. The reason is obvious: Whites aren’t White supremacy’s biggest victims, so it’s natural to be disinterested in that subject. Therefore, if you don’t want to see me name any examples of how maybe White supremacy isn’t all that great for Whites, I’ll understand. I talk about Herzlianism’s caveats for Jews to help dissuade others from supporting the occupation. Admittedly, the oppression of Palestinians should be more than enough, but you can’t argue that a discussion about how Zionism harms ordinary Jews somehow makes Zionism look any better.
That is not what a neocolony is. What? Lmao
What about them? Settlers who bring their children into settlements are abusing their children.
Who implied that rape is fine? Certainly not me. Torture is just fine. Especially against settlers, for example, to extract military information. No it is not embarrassing. Are you doing the whole “Oh Hamas rapes and tortures people” bit? Why not just join the IDF’s hasbara department, at least they will pay you for it.
You realize that you are moving goalposts here, yeah? Pissrael can be hyper individualistic or it could be a concrete jungle or you can talk about how life in Pissrael is not so amazing, but the very fact that those settlers are afforded a life in Occupied Palestine is a massive privilege. Jews all over the world materially benefit from Pissrael. Jews in Pissrael benefit from it the most by means of a very high standard of living. There is no question about this. Your description of why life could be bad in Pissrael literally reads like a first world problem.
No, it is absolutely not misleading. How is that misleading? Jewish people today are a privileged subset of white people. That is true. No matter where you go in most countries, jews are put on a pedestal and pampered. Jews are afforded unfair advantages in many sectors of the economy. They are afforded so many treats in Pissrael itself. A black jew is still a jew, and while a black jew might face racism everywhere in the world (just like any other black person), they are still infinitely more materially privileged than any other black person, or even many white people.
An ordinary white person from Vladivostok couldn’t decide to attain a first world passport and move into a free stolen home and receive thousands of dollars and incredibly high social nets and an extremely high standard of living tomorrow if he wants to, but a black Jew can.
That’s not the point. Zionism does not harm Jews. Your premise is false. Zionism benefits Jews massively. Every single Jew in the world is materially better off because of Zionism. To varying degrees, but measurably. Billions are spent on these people by a foreign government, on propaganda, on cultural programmes etc. Did you know that there is a holocaust museum in El Savador? The museum only talks about the Jews, of course, of whom 6 million were dead and does not talk about the 23 million Soviets who were killed. Now, why on Earth does a country that’s several thousands miles away from Germany where practically zero Jews or Germans live have a Holocaust museum? Because Pissrael funds it to maintain a higher social prestige for jews all over the world.
Zionism materially benefits every single Jew. This is just a fact. And that is why you see Jews everywhere supporting Pissrael. From surveys, the vast majority of Jews worldwide, and an overwhelming majority of Jews in Israel support Israel’s actions in Gaza, ergo they are Zionists. Zionism is an ethno supremacist movement and ethnic supremacy is literally meant to materially benefit those that belong that ethnicity.
Claiming otherwise is intellectually dishonest.
Lol did you write this filth? Haha
Zionism harms Jews lololololol.
The fuck is an anarcho Bolshevik?
Zionism is incredibly beneficial to Jews. Any Jew anywhere can literally move to Israel, get a passport and move into a Palestinian home on a state funded programme. The Zionist entity also runs propaganda all over the world for Jews, making sure they are perceived as people to be coddled.
If you wrote that down on a piece of paper, then one could get some use out of what you wrote because it would be good to wipe your bum.
They banned him for speaking the truth I guess