I’ve been that guy, I still am at times that guy, and I encounter your sort every fucking time I try to learn something. It’s worse than useless. Genuinely curious people do wander in here, and people like you do your damnedest to convince them that the communists and socialists are a bunch of insufferable cunts who must be unable to even provide a single poor source, let alone a good one, or at least surely one of the dozen people who poured into their inbox would have provided one. Instead, it’s all insults and belittlement 90% of the time.
communists and socialists are the most informed, politically literate people on here.
most of them provide ample sources when possible.
Which is easy in when it concerns history and some clown for example thinks he’s clever because he throws in a Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
Knowledgeable communists will invariably give at least 10 countries with dates for when they made a pact with the nazis.
It is more difficult with current events, certainly when information is blocked and the western regimes refuse to report, as in this case.
it’s all insults and belittlement 90% of the time.
Now that’s factually untrue.
I can only imagine it’s you who’s been butthurt for being corrected when spouting the most idiotic nonsense.
So you think what you want, stay in your info BS circle jerk and fuck off.
communists and socialists are the most informed, politically literate people on here.
most of them provide ample sources when possible.
Which is easy in when it concerns history and some clown for example thinks he’s clever because he throws in a Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
Knowledgeable communists will invariably give at least 10 countries with dates for when they made a pact with the nazis.
For the sake of argument, I’ll give you that one uncontested. The capitalists sure as hell aren’t on point here, so let’s just assume you’re right here. Problem is that the part about providing ample sources just doesn’t hold here on Lemmy, at least. I have faced a LOT of hostility for asking for sources on claims here. Not for accusing them of lying. For asking for more information before agreeing with them.
it’s all insults and belittlement 90% of the time.
Now that’s factually untrue.
I can only imagine it’s you who’s been butthurt for being corrected when spouting the most idiotic nonsense.
So you think what you want, stay in your info BS circle jerk and fuck off.
Oh really? Just try to get good info on the claim that Ukraine is full of or run by Nazis. If you’re not prepared to accept a grand total of 4 pics of maaaaybe 50 dudes if we round very generously as proof that the entire country is rife with them, you’ll get abused for not just accepting it. I forget how many times I had to ask, but it was at least 6 times I wandered into threads about it and asked for more information before I got a single fucking person who was willing to link ANYTHING of significance. That singular individual willing to share quality information was balanced by at least 15-20 people who just wanted to insult and belittle me instead. And it’s not like I came in accusing them of being full of shit. I just asked for more detailed sources that could support the claims they were making.
But here you are proving my point. I actually acknowledged the abuse hurled my way, and what do I get for it? I get accused of a fragile ego that can’t take criticism.
Oh really? Just try to get good info on the claim that Ukraine is full of or run by Nazis. If you’re not prepared to accept a grand total of 4 pics of maaaaybe 50 dudes if we round very generously as proof that the entire country is rife with them, you’ll get abused for not just accepting it.
And here we once again see the classic dumbass trick of assuming since you dont read the linked text, noone else does either.
Every time I see the post you’re alluding to shared, it is that picture alongside a bunch of hyperlinks with plenty of sources for you to engage with.
Another classic: You acting like you do should somehow not mean people dont treat you like a beliggerent asshole. We are to assume you are just some smol bean going " uwue please may I have any source?" while we can see you clearly dont behave like that. If you actually engage with people in a normal fashion you usually get good results, as can be seen from this very thread where several sources are shared in a reasonable manner.
You are not owed respect or civility, if you act like a dickhead then people will treat you like a dickhead. It has nothing at all to do with what your opinions on a given topic is.
Every time I see the post you’re alluding to shared, it is that picture alongside a bunch of hyperlinks with plenty of sources for you to engage with.
I’ve lost count of how many times people have tried to use the pics with absolutely no sources on me. It’s great that you’ve seen them provided, but your experience is clearly not universal.
Another classic: You acting like you do should somehow not mean people dont treat you like a beliggerent asshole. We are to assume you are just some smol bean going " uwue please may I have any source?" while we can see you clearly dont behave like that. If you actually engage with people in a normal fashion you usually get good results, as can be seen from this very thread where several sources are shared in a reasonable manner.
When I’m looking for more information, I always start off politely. If people treat me like shit for not already knowing, yeah, I get a little grouchy about that sometimes. If you don’t like the energy, give me something better to match. Half of the responses are people being dicks, and the other half are taking me not liking that as some sort of proof this is all a ruse.
You are not owed respect or civility, if you act like a dickhead then people will treat you like a dickhead. It has nothing at all to do with what your opinions on a given topic is.
And yet you guys are so quick to take offense when I match that energy. Could literally say this verbatim about damn near every interaction I have with .ml and Hexbear users.
I don’t doubt you, but I’ve had a different experience. I typically see them dropped by someone who wants to treat them as conclusive, and I get treated as a Nazi apologist by multiple people for not extrapolating from <50 people to the entire nation. I had to ask at least six times to get a single person to give me a couple sources on it. I got dozens of belittling comments along the way. I wasn’t rude, I didn’t accuse them of lying, I just asked for a source that proved the infestation was as big as claimed.
They’re not just 50 people though, almost every Ukrainian military photo I’ve seen has had either a patch or a tattoo related to right wing extremism. There’s literally too many for them to effectively scrub from the coverage they show westerners lol.
I’m not saying there are only 50. I’m saying they would show pictures of less than 50 people in total as if that was conclusive. While those pictures are a horrible look, they don’t prove the claim that Nazis are pervasive. You can find 50 shitheads in any country. Someone did eventually provide a source that at least partially validated the claims people were making, but it was like pulling teeth to get it. I had to ask several times in several threads to get it.
I’ve been that guy, I still am at times that guy, and I encounter your sort every fucking time I try to learn something. It’s worse than useless. Genuinely curious people do wander in here, and people like you do your damnedest to convince them that the communists and socialists are a bunch of insufferable cunts who must be unable to even provide a single poor source, let alone a good one, or at least surely one of the dozen people who poured into their inbox would have provided one. Instead, it’s all insults and belittlement 90% of the time.
communists and socialists are the most informed, politically literate people on here.
most of them provide ample sources when possible.
Which is easy in when it concerns history and some clown for example thinks he’s clever because he throws in a Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
Knowledgeable communists will invariably give at least 10 countries with dates for when they made a pact with the nazis.
It is more difficult with current events, certainly when information is blocked and the western regimes refuse to report, as in this case.
Now that’s factually untrue.
I can only imagine it’s you who’s been butthurt for being corrected when spouting the most idiotic nonsense.
So you think what you want, stay in your info BS circle jerk and fuck off.
For the sake of argument, I’ll give you that one uncontested. The capitalists sure as hell aren’t on point here, so let’s just assume you’re right here. Problem is that the part about providing ample sources just doesn’t hold here on Lemmy, at least. I have faced a LOT of hostility for asking for sources on claims here. Not for accusing them of lying. For asking for more information before agreeing with them.
Oh really? Just try to get good info on the claim that Ukraine is full of or run by Nazis. If you’re not prepared to accept a grand total of 4 pics of maaaaybe 50 dudes if we round very generously as proof that the entire country is rife with them, you’ll get abused for not just accepting it. I forget how many times I had to ask, but it was at least 6 times I wandered into threads about it and asked for more information before I got a single fucking person who was willing to link ANYTHING of significance. That singular individual willing to share quality information was balanced by at least 15-20 people who just wanted to insult and belittle me instead. And it’s not like I came in accusing them of being full of shit. I just asked for more detailed sources that could support the claims they were making.
But here you are proving my point. I actually acknowledged the abuse hurled my way, and what do I get for it? I get accused of a fragile ego that can’t take criticism.
And here we once again see the classic dumbass trick of assuming since you dont read the linked text, noone else does either.
Every time I see the post you’re alluding to shared, it is that picture alongside a bunch of hyperlinks with plenty of sources for you to engage with.
Another classic: You acting like you do should somehow not mean people dont treat you like a beliggerent asshole. We are to assume you are just some smol bean going " uwue please may I have any source?" while we can see you clearly dont behave like that. If you actually engage with people in a normal fashion you usually get good results, as can be seen from this very thread where several sources are shared in a reasonable manner.
You are not owed respect or civility, if you act like a dickhead then people will treat you like a dickhead. It has nothing at all to do with what your opinions on a given topic is.
I’ve lost count of how many times people have tried to use the pics with absolutely no sources on me. It’s great that you’ve seen them provided, but your experience is clearly not universal.
When I’m looking for more information, I always start off politely. If people treat me like shit for not already knowing, yeah, I get a little grouchy about that sometimes. If you don’t like the energy, give me something better to match. Half of the responses are people being dicks, and the other half are taking me not liking that as some sort of proof this is all a ruse.
And yet you guys are so quick to take offense when I match that energy. Could literally say this verbatim about damn near every interaction I have with .ml and Hexbear users.
Sure buddy, its you thats matching the energy, not us
Hey, weren’t you too busy to read anything?
I’m guilty of just dropping the pictures with no sources but I generally provide the same amount of effort in my comments as the one I’m replying to 🫠
I don’t doubt you, but I’ve had a different experience. I typically see them dropped by someone who wants to treat them as conclusive, and I get treated as a Nazi apologist by multiple people for not extrapolating from <50 people to the entire nation. I had to ask at least six times to get a single person to give me a couple sources on it. I got dozens of belittling comments along the way. I wasn’t rude, I didn’t accuse them of lying, I just asked for a source that proved the infestation was as big as claimed.
They’re not just 50 people though, almost every Ukrainian military photo I’ve seen has had either a patch or a tattoo related to right wing extremism. There’s literally too many for them to effectively scrub from the coverage they show westerners lol.
Shoutout to BBCs interview with “Klep Freikorps” at the beginning of the war
I’m not saying there are only 50. I’m saying they would show pictures of less than 50 people in total as if that was conclusive. While those pictures are a horrible look, they don’t prove the claim that Nazis are pervasive. You can find 50 shitheads in any country. Someone did eventually provide a source that at least partially validated the claims people were making, but it was like pulling teeth to get it. I had to ask several times in several threads to get it.