• cosmicrookie@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    And people think Democrats will vote on support Trump because Biden won’t denounce Israel…

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      7 months ago

      It’s at least in part Russian propaganda. They don’t want people to vote for Trump, they do want democratic voters to not vote at all, which will help Trump get elected.

      Look at the people pushing the ‘genocide Joe’ thing. Invariably they’re anti-NATO and make excuses for Iran, Syria and Russia. Not that they’re doing it deliberately, but plenty seem to have bought the propaganda and are acting like useful idiots by spreading it.

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        Anytime someone goes to name calling I assume they are a bad actor. We can have a serious discussion on the matter without devolving into name calling so I just assume they are trying to sew discord more than anything else.

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        It’s at least in part Russian propaganda.

        But you’ll use that as the excuse every time someone says they won’t be voting for Biden right?

        The problem you run into with this excuse is regardless of where the ideas are coming from or who is amplifying them you and many others are clearly concerned about the upcoming election. Biden won the 2020 general election so that means you’re worried there are people who voted for Biden in the 2020 general election and won’t vote for him in 2024. If they’re leftists or progressives that means staying home, voting 3rd party or writing in.

        So here’s a crazy idea: find a compromise. Leftists and progressives have raised multiple reasons they are frustrated or even angry at Biden. Why not yield to some of those objections? Frankly, the fact that discussions about giving progressive and leftist voters what they want in order to gain votes get so heavily down voted feels like the real PsyOP. Especially when the people downvoting simultaneously talk about the wonders of democracy and compromise. Here’s just a few ideas Biden could do today:

        1. Biden has been providing Israel weapons without congressional approval. That means he could stop. Today. Do that.
        2. Biden blocked the rail strike by forcing a contract unions had voted against down their throat. That contract expires at the end of this year meaning they could strike again in 2025. Biden could promise to veto any attempts to block a rail strike in his next term.
        3. Biden forced federal workers back to the office. He could reverse that.
        4. Biden could publicly shame Powell and Yellen for attacking American worker wages.

        It’s hard to take people seriously when they talk about how important democracy is but sneer at the very idea of sacrificing any policy positions in order to court voters sitting to the left of Biden.

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        Its at least in part Russian propaganda. They don’t want people to vote for Trump, they do want democratic voters to not vote at all

        you’re making this up

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          7 months ago

          And just for the sake of science: do you have an opinion on NATO?

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              So you do realize that’s worse than Hitler right? Your “noble cause” requires humanity to be exterminated, Hitler just wanted a “perfect race” of humans. Even if it’s not by your hand or directed by you, you want the elimination of the entire human species.

              There are some days where I’m in that camp too lol