My son who is on the spectrum and has really struggled to read at all, skips over most Maori words, unfamiliar names or Maori place names.
He also has a problem differentiating between other words that can also be a name or a place name, eg “Mrs Green said X” or “James walked down Brown street”.
He interprets them literally and ends up wondering why the street was brown or why was the lady green.
The specific book that they referenced on the news last night “At the Marae” was an absolute nightmare for us to work through every time it was in his book bag.
I don’t think that Te Reo shouldn’t be something that is taught, probably some Te Reo needs to be in the sight words that they learn right at the start.
I was just relaying that not everyone learns the same way and can deal with challenges the same way, I think in a couple of years of doing the basics he will be able to deal with it just fine.
Nobody is claiming everybody learns the same way. What we are saying is that our educational system should be structured to help the vast majority of the students and not crippled in a way to help the extremely small minority.
Like it or not your child will be exposed to Maori words and names. Hell if your town name isn’t a Maori word there are streets and neighbourhoods that are.
This racist government and this racist MP want to erase Maori identity and want to shelter children from Maori words because they see Maoridom as a form of evil to be avoided or destroyed.
She said her child has a learning disability. should we really take away textbooks and readers from all students which her child is unable to understand?
Do you think that’s a smart thing to do? Do you think that’s a moral thing to do?
I didn’t suggest we should take away textbooks. I didn’t suggest I think it’s a smart thing to do. I didn’t suggest I think it’s a moral thing to do.
I think it’s rude to call somebody’s child the “lowest common denominator” after being told that they have learning disabilities. That’s what I said to you.
I didn’t ask for that anywhere. I just wanted to post our experience that illustrates that there were other possibilities for them changing the curriculum than than that the minister is a raging racist ( even if they are ).
What did I say which indicated to you that I objected to your child participating in the Kapa Haka or that I am against inclusion?
It seems like you also need to be educated since you seem to lash out like a child and attack people for things they never said. It’s not fitting for an adult to throw a tantrum like this.
I do not want the education system to eliminate all words your child has problems with from books and other educational materials. Our educational system should not be aimed at the lowest common denominator student.
If anything I think you are kind of sick for insisting that no student be exposed to words which your child can’t deal with.
Firstly, I did not say that you objected to my child participating in Kapa Haka.
Secondly, you are the one attacking me for things I did not say.
Thirdly, who is having a tantrum here? I thought the NZ lemmy instance here was pretty chill and I am just sharing our experience with education in this area. It’s taking up a big chunk of our lives right now and my partner and I have had to learn alot more and put in a ton more work than the average parent to get our child achieving basic levels of reading and maths.
Fourth, I do not want the education system to eliminate all the words my kid has trouble with either, and I did not say that.
Fifth, inferring my child is the low point in a lowest common denominator is absolutely awful and you should be ashamed. This is where my comment about inclusiveness came from.
Modern education is so much better about scaling things to fit a wide range of capabilities without excluding the corner case kids than it was when I was growing up.
Sixth, again I never said I wanted any words pulled from the curriculum.
If I understand the news story correctly, the book is still in the curriculum, they just arent using it as an early reader, so it wont be issued to be read at home in the first year or two as home work. It will be after that point, this seems alright to me.
I like Te Reo diction and pronunciation being taught at primary school level. I didn’t get exposed to it until about fifth form in college.
As far as I can tell, the books are still part of the curriculum, they are just pushing them slightly up until after the early readers are done with.
I don’t know who you think wants to exclude a whole culture, especially one that seems so vibrant and strong right now, sounds nutty to me.
I was just contrasting how well all the folks treat my boy at school in general, dealing with his little weirdnesses and idiosyncracies ( having to wear ear muffs for his auditory issues in Kapa Haka etc. ) with BallpeenHammers “Tough luck if you can’t keep up, we won’t cater to the lowest common denominator”.
It doesn’t have to be black and white, X wins or Y wins, alot of stuff can get handled well in a primary school education.
and I struggled all through school with reading and writing even in English (with dyslexia), that doesn’t mean that we should relegate Te Reo to an even more of a second class language.
Yeah, I suspect my son is a little dyslexic. He cannot write and may never be able to.
He does Kapa Haka and I love the idea of him learning a bunch of Te Reo.
However, every night that we force our way through a book where he is just getting lost makes him really despondent and kills his enthusiasm for reading.
I understand what you are saying, not everyone learns in the same way. This seems to be less of an issue with texts that have Maōri words in them, and more of an issue if your son’s teacher not giving him texts that are appropriate to his learning (because they expect all kids to learn the same way). It’s fantastic that he is learning te reo through kapa haka.
My son who is on the spectrum and has really struggled to read at all, skips over most Maori words, unfamiliar names or Maori place names.
He also has a problem differentiating between other words that can also be a name or a place name, eg “Mrs Green said X” or “James walked down Brown street”.
He interprets them literally and ends up wondering why the street was brown or why was the lady green.
The specific book that they referenced on the news last night “At the Marae” was an absolute nightmare for us to work through every time it was in his book bag.
Do you think the difficulties your child experiences should effect what we teach all children and how?
I don’t think that Te Reo shouldn’t be something that is taught, probably some Te Reo needs to be in the sight words that they learn right at the start.
I was just relaying that not everyone learns the same way and can deal with challenges the same way, I think in a couple of years of doing the basics he will be able to deal with it just fine.
Nobody is claiming everybody learns the same way. What we are saying is that our educational system should be structured to help the vast majority of the students and not crippled in a way to help the extremely small minority.
Like it or not your child will be exposed to Maori words and names. Hell if your town name isn’t a Maori word there are streets and neighbourhoods that are.
This racist government and this racist MP want to erase Maori identity and want to shelter children from Maori words because they see Maoridom as a form of evil to be avoided or destroyed.
My kid does Kapa Haka. He performed at Hutt Fest a couple of months ago. He learns the words by copying the folks around him rather than reading them.
His Te Reo vocabulary isn’t terrible, he just can’t read it well.
Cool. Once again I am opposed to shaping our educational system to the lowest common denominator of students.
Mate come on, it’s out of line to call somebody’s child the “lowest common denominator”.
She said her child has a learning disability. should we really take away textbooks and readers from all students which her child is unable to understand?
Do you think that’s a smart thing to do? Do you think that’s a moral thing to do?
I didn’t suggest we should take away textbooks. I didn’t suggest I think it’s a smart thing to do. I didn’t suggest I think it’s a moral thing to do.
I think it’s rude to call somebody’s child the “lowest common denominator” after being told that they have learning disabilities. That’s what I said to you.
Holy crap, I’m glad the awesome folks that lead his Kapa Haka group are more inclusive than you are.
I mean, your son needs special help; the most obvious response would be to give him that help, not shape the education system around him.
I didn’t ask for that anywhere. I just wanted to post our experience that illustrates that there were other possibilities for them changing the curriculum than than that the minister is a raging racist ( even if they are ).
What did I say which indicated to you that I objected to your child participating in the Kapa Haka or that I am against inclusion?
It seems like you also need to be educated since you seem to lash out like a child and attack people for things they never said. It’s not fitting for an adult to throw a tantrum like this.
I do not want the education system to eliminate all words your child has problems with from books and other educational materials. Our educational system should not be aimed at the lowest common denominator student.
If anything I think you are kind of sick for insisting that no student be exposed to words which your child can’t deal with.
Wow, do you have to be so aggressive with your communication?
Firstly, I did not say that you objected to my child participating in Kapa Haka.
Secondly, you are the one attacking me for things I did not say.
Thirdly, who is having a tantrum here? I thought the NZ lemmy instance here was pretty chill and I am just sharing our experience with education in this area. It’s taking up a big chunk of our lives right now and my partner and I have had to learn alot more and put in a ton more work than the average parent to get our child achieving basic levels of reading and maths.
Fourth, I do not want the education system to eliminate all the words my kid has trouble with either, and I did not say that.
Fifth, inferring my child is the low point in a lowest common denominator is absolutely awful and you should be ashamed. This is where my comment about inclusiveness came from.
Modern education is so much better about scaling things to fit a wide range of capabilities without excluding the corner case kids than it was when I was growing up.
Sixth, again I never said I wanted any words pulled from the curriculum.
If I understand the news story correctly, the book is still in the curriculum, they just arent using it as an early reader, so it wont be issued to be read at home in the first year or two as home work. It will be after that point, this seems alright to me.
I like Te Reo diction and pronunciation being taught at primary school level. I didn’t get exposed to it until about fifth form in college.
Seems to me you were trying to set them up so you could say got’em! with this comment, failed, and said it anyways.
The irony is you’re asking to EXCLUDE an entire culture because things are not inclusive enough for you.
As far as I can tell, the books are still part of the curriculum, they are just pushing them slightly up until after the early readers are done with.
I don’t know who you think wants to exclude a whole culture, especially one that seems so vibrant and strong right now, sounds nutty to me.
I was just contrasting how well all the folks treat my boy at school in general, dealing with his little weirdnesses and idiosyncracies ( having to wear ear muffs for his auditory issues in Kapa Haka etc. ) with BallpeenHammers “Tough luck if you can’t keep up, we won’t cater to the lowest common denominator”.
It doesn’t have to be black and white, X wins or Y wins, alot of stuff can get handled well in a primary school education.
and I struggled all through school with reading and writing even in English (with dyslexia), that doesn’t mean that we should relegate Te Reo to an even more of a second class language.
i just want to say fuck French root words in American English
every shit word I cant spell without memory is fucking Latin -> French -> English
lets start removing those
Yeah, I suspect my son is a little dyslexic. He cannot write and may never be able to. He does Kapa Haka and I love the idea of him learning a bunch of Te Reo.
However, every night that we force our way through a book where he is just getting lost makes him really despondent and kills his enthusiasm for reading.
I understand what you are saying, not everyone learns in the same way. This seems to be less of an issue with texts that have Maōri words in them, and more of an issue if your son’s teacher not giving him texts that are appropriate to his learning (because they expect all kids to learn the same way). It’s fantastic that he is learning te reo through kapa haka.
I call bullshit
What exactly is it you don’t believe?
Weirdly when you ask that, it makes me backtrack and want to believe you. So okay, I will.
All good =)