• casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works
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      If you classify erotic roleplay as CSAM, then there is a whole sprawling community called DDLG that belongs on the sex offenders registry.

      Noncon is similarly a much more prevalent fetish than people think.

      The only difference between this debate and the traditional porn counterpart is that traditional video porn has always had actors who are verifiably of-age and consenting, despite whatever the roleplay may imply. With drawn and written erotica, there is no actor, it’s all text coming from imagination and how you interpret it is a function of both the reader’s and author’s imagination. What it depicts means virtually nothing and outlawing it means making it a thoughtcrime, which is a Pandora’s box you do not want opened.

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        I think you misunderstood…the only AI porn I’ve heard anyone make a stink about is AI CSAM and deep fakes of celebrities or, again, children. I don’t care about consenting adults pretending to be younger or nonconsent play.

        Making realistic AI porn of people without their consent isn’t ok. Normalizing CSAM or making it harder to find and prosecute real CSAM producers isn’t ok either. Making AI porn using the likeness of real children isn’t ok. Those are the only complaints I’ve heard on the topic, and I agree with them. If there’s other things people are screaming about, I’m OOL, which was the question I originally asked.

        • Ok good, so we’re on the same page. I just had to disambiguate because it was getting to that “wrongful grouping” territory.

          But yeah something 100% needs to be done about the models people are training for celebrity and minor likenesses. I saw one model for the latter gaining popularity and I threw up a little in my mouth because the aesthetic they were going for was not okay and made me very concerned. I want to see these get action’d/desisted, but I also want assurance that they won’t drag us innocent pervs who just want stories and pictures of lewd foxgirls n shit to get caught in the crossfire for no good reason. Same thing all us weebs have been saying for years, just new chapter with heightened risks.

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            Unfortunately there’s no middleman with them. They’ll make rules that apply to Ai csam but that could also apply to any other Ai porn so they have it in their back pocket if they need it.

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        Thanks, I thought that was the “doki dori literature group” (spelling?) (a game I hadn’t played but know of), was it co-opted or were there always 2 meanings, or did the game play off of the community?

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              xD No worries, my mind went to Doki Doki first, so you gave me an excuse to say the cursed fish version =P

        • You’re thinking of Doki Doki Literature Club, common mistake. It’s just a coincidence I suppose. DDLG most certainly predates that game and I don’t think their subject matter is at all related.

          On the tame side of things, there’s chicks that like to call you “daddy” and want you to call them a “good/naughty little girl” and embrace the praise&punishment aspect of Dominance& Submission. Pretty vanilla stuff. I could get with it, and I reckon most guys may be able to, feels like the daddy thing isn’t too uncommon.

          On other end… well, actually, I don’t want to talk about it. Look it up yourself, that way only you are to blame for cursing yourself with the knowledge

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        I don’t. Again, the only complaints I’ve heard about AI porn are regarding those 2 things. If you have other examples, please share.

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            When someone mentions AI and porn together, your right…that’s where my mind goes because it’s an important issue and…again, the only thing I’ve heard any actual ethicists complain about. Why is your response to try and insinuate I’m a pedophile instead of addressing that I actually said?

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                They also specifically mentioned ethicists bitching about it. I haven’t even thought about sexting since the 90s…it literally never crossed my mind that’s what they were talking about. I follow AI, and I follow a lot of ethicists and the ONLY overlap there in my experience is around those two topics. Maybe try asking the LLM for a definition of psychological association between fap sessions instead of throwing that Freudian shit at me…last time anyone believed that they needed a quill and a stamp to sext.

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      Are you not capable of conceiving an AI-driven erotica roleplay that wouldn’t be classified as CSAM?

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        See my other reply…it’s not that, it’s that the only ethical concerns I’ve heard raised were about CSAM or using nonconsenting models.

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          The “ethics” of most AIs I have futzed with would prevent them from complying with a request to act as a horny catgirl but not to worry about agreeing to write an inspiring 1000 word essay about Celine Dion at a grade 7 reading level. My reading of the meme is that it’s about that sort of paradox.