Starting with this post:

https://sh.itjust.works/post/44999037

Continues here:

https://sh.itjust.works/post/45035437

More posts discussing the fallout:

Dbzer0 admin claiming Uyghur genocide is ‘overblown and misrepresented’

Dbzer0 admin casually defending Uyghur genocide denial because “libs worse”, yikes

Banned from meanwhileongrad for “No db0 allowed”.

On Dbzer0, ‘harassing mods’ is when you criticize the top admin of .ml for responding to a Wiki link with a Lemmy search

Does lemmy.ml own db0? db0 denies the Uyghur genocide, begins to backtrack that maybe there are human rights abuses, and then immediately backs off as soon as lemmy.ml admin, Davel, steps in.

Tankie bar, db0, will remove your comments and ban you if you criticise lemmy.ml admin, Davel, for denying the Uyghur genocide

When the tankie bar, db0, is pushed about communists purging peasants, Davels swoops in with dehumanisation. Also, if you bring up the Holodomor then you’re a nazi.

Removed false allegations against goat from a post on db0

An anarchist tankie did a write-up of the constant use of ‘degenerate’ as an insult specifically in the MoG comm

Another anarchist tankie did a write-up of the situation

More links: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52444570

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/329886

https://sh.itjust.works/post/151703/234360

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/338067

  • Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    91·
    6 days ago

    I dont see how unruffled is denying anything there merely pointing out that starving a entire population to death is on a different level to (still wrong keep in mind) more gradual chipping away of culture. And no frankly I dont need cherry picked “examples”, the prevailing attitude on /0 is against denials of those events and taking a anti tankie stance.

    And again neolib “democracy” is a bad joke most parties of Wiemar at that time were milquetoast ‘social democrats’ right wing nationalists & conservatives or even more milquetoast liberals. And that particular experiment in neolib statecraft ended in the Nazis taking power and killing millions.

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      28·
      6 days ago

      I dont see how unruffled is denying anything there merely pointing out that starving a entire population to death is on a different level to (still wrong keep in mind) more gradual chipping away of culture.

      “More gradual chipping away of culture” being mass sterilization, concentration camps, forced labor, suppression of Uyghur language, the destruction of cultural artifacts, literal settler colonialism, kidnapping children to place with Han families…

      Very gradual, much chipping away, wow.

      You also don’t see how claiming that the Uyghur genocide (and putting genocide in quotes, implying that it’s not a ‘real’ genocide, for that fucking matter) is overblown and exaggerated is denying anything?

      And no frankly I dont need cherry picked “examples”, the prevailing attitude on /0 is against denials of those events and taking a anti tankie stance.

      Ah yes, the fact that they’re highly upvoted anywhere outside of dbzer0’s tankiejerk - including on flippanarchy and leftie memes - is completely irrelevant. None of the examples or evidence matters, only your feelings matter.

      And again neolib “democracy” is a bad joke.

      I’m sorry, did you not read what I wrote?

      What part of the post-WW1 German elections, in a state which had not formed anything more than borders and a proposal for elections, whose electoral design was similar to the contemporary post-revolutionary Russian elections which ushered in a 90% socialist legislature, ‘neolib’?

      • Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        7·
        5 days ago

        This is just going around in circles, China isnt causing mass starvation nor flattening nearly every building in Turkistan its still bad what is happening but practically which one can we sooner do something about and what is the most imminent risk to a population outright carpet bombing, shootings and starvation or a shitty tankiestate using authoritarian measures to hack away at a culture quite slowly while at the same time investing in some infrastructure and public services in the region.

        Again I dont see how unruffled was denying that China was doing shit, you’re grasping at straws.

        And I simply dont see tankie campist related shit mass upvoted on /0 coms it doesn’t happen, maybe you’re confusing something that tankies & anarchists can agree on and is somewhat popular in both circles as a tankie concept.

        And no the early Wismar legislature was not 90% socialist, if you’re being generous and assume the SPD was genuinely left wing (not really IMO, was still beholden to capital interests) then at most it was about 45% “left” wing.

        Zentrum, DNVP, DDP etc all had a signficiant chunk (conservatives, right wing nationalists & milquetoast liberals).

        • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          26·
          5 days ago

          This is just going around in circles, China isnt causing mass starvation nor flattening nearly every building in Turkistan its still bad what is happening but practically which one can we sooner do something about and what is the most imminent risk to a population outright carpet bombing, shootings and starvation or a shitty tankiestate using authoritarian measures to hack away at a culture quite slowly while at the same time investing in some infrastructure and public services in the region.

          Okay? That’s no reason to fucking deny or downplay it.

          Again I dont see how unruffled was denying that China was doing shit, you’re grasping at straws.

          My previous comparison:

          “China is being shitty and authoritarian towards the Uyghurs, but it’s nothing like the genocide Israel is waging”, saying that Chinese influence in Myanmar is a more serious violation by the PRC than the Uyghur genocide is, and leveling a judgement of “PTB” - “Power Tripping Bastard” - towards the moderator of [MeanwhileOnGrad] for banning someone who was literally denying the Uyghur genocide.

          Combined, that’s pretty distinctly defending Uyghur genocide denial, and I would say right up on the border of denying Uyghur genocide themselves.

          If I said, “Israel is being shitty and authoritarian towards the Palestinians, but it’s nothing like the genocide the Nazis waged”, would you regard that as:

          A. Borderline genocide denial of the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people by reducing the ongoing genocide to something that is simply ‘shitty and authoritarian’ while noting that ‘real’ genocide is more than that

          OR

          B. Just making casual comparisons

          And I simply dont see tankie campist related shit mass upvoted on /0 coms it doesn’t happen, maybe you’re confusing something that tankies & anarchists can agree on and is somewhat popular in both circles as a tankie concept.

          Upvoted pro-genocide comments on a single recent Dbzer0 thread:

          Downvoted anti-genocide comments on a recent Dbzer0 thread:

          (note also the upvoted comparison of Uyghur genocide to white genocide conspiracy theories)

          Genocide denial left up:

          Upvoted denial of UN-verified sexual assault:

          I can wade into Flippanarchy and get you plenty of examples from there too, if you like.

          And no the early Wismar legislature was not 90% socialist, if you’re being generous and assume the SPD was genuinely left wing (not really IMO, was still beholden to capital interests) then at most it was about 45% “left” wing.

          I’m referring to the elected Russian government that the Bolsheviks overthrew - the Bolshevik overthrow being what the Spartacist Uprising explicitly sought to imitate.

          • Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            71·
            5 days ago

            Again I dont see unruffled denying it nor downplaying it.

            Also nice cherrypicked screenshots lmao, im done you refuse to engage in anythng resambling good faith.

            • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
              15·
              5 days ago

              Again I dont see unruffled denying it nor downplaying it.

              So if I said “Claims of Palestinian ‘genocide’ are mostly overblown and misrepresented by the left”, and note ‘genocide’ in quotes, something which anyone with any decency in their body would recoil from, you, on the other hand, would regard that as neither a denial nor downplaying?

              Also nice cherrypicked screenshots lmao, im done you refuse to engage in anythng resambling good faith.

              They’re cherrypicked screenshots because… I demonstrated exactly what you said didn’t happen on dbzer0?

              • Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                51·
                5 days ago

                Yes they are cherry picked, very rarely does that happen it simply doesn’t happen en masse. Note how the tankie had a heap of downvotes along with upvotes & frankly a single comment with two.upvotes is really stretching the “/0 is tankie hurr durr” narrative you’ve concocted in your head.

                • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  14·
                  5 days ago

                  Yes they are cherry picked, very rarely does that happen it simply doesn’t happen en masse.

                  So how many more examples do you want?

                  Oh, what am I saying? No number of examples would be enough.

                  Note how the tankie had a heap of downvotes along with upvotes

                  Oh, it’s fine to have a majority in favor of tankie positions, as long as there are some dissenters along with it. I guess the Holodomor denial with one downvote is okay too.

                  & frankly a single comment with two.upvotes is really stretching the “/0 is tankie hurr durr” narrative you’ve concocted in your head.

                  I specifically noted that one not as upvoted, but as genocide denial left up by the admins. Sorry that you didn’t read what I posted?

                  • Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                    41·
                    5 days ago

                    Extremely weak examples on a com thats often visited by other instances… this is now coming across as pure seethe from you. They’re still getting challenged and often made to look like clowns, and you are 100% cherry picking with the given examples when looking at the entire /0 instances attitudes and views strongly oppose tankie rethoric.

                    And im partially skim reading because I have a job and am getting ready to go to it, my apologies I dont have all day to sit around stirring drama and posting on a federated version of reddit.