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People. We, the French, pulled a left-wing coalition out of our asses in less than a week and managed to “win” an election. You have months. Hope is permitted.
It’s very true. We’ve been brainwashed into a year long campaign mostly because it generates a lot of money for various parties but prior elections have proven it’s mostly what happens in the last month that makes a difference.
Y’all are lucky you can make coalitions, though. This is more akin to your election if you only had centrists and far right running. Two party system and all that.
So we need a French immigrant to help fix the government?
Thanks for your support! And very happy to see your success in France.
I think you’ll start to see a lot more excitement in the next few weeks.
I’m already noticing a lot of hype for Kamala 🤞
I mean, ok, what’s not to hype? The second Black president, but in two centuries, it would be the first woman. The right’s heads will collectively explode if she wins.
Mmmm you know this would be quite the upside
The last time a black person became president, they got Trump. A black woman president will be…Super Trump?
I shudder to think what they could come up with that would worse than Trump, because we know there is no depth the bar can’t sink to
A guy just as completely lacking in any sort of shame, morals, or empathy, but actually smart. He’d also have to be smart enough to hide the fact that he’s smart, because the GOP relies on the “really fucking stupid” vote.
Props to the French voters for shutting out the Rally.
Most of the French voters.
Damn good job in the second round.
Can someone find the “hope is kindled” gif from LoTR Return of the King? When Pipin lights the beacon of Minas Tirith. I can’t find it.
You are a wonderful human. May you find 20 bucks in a pocket of the next coat you put on
Thank you, French. You’re awesome. I was losing hope, and yet a miracle happened.
Good job.
Thank you
“Hope and change” is back in it to win it.
Motherfucking Obama at it again.
Lol, Obama comming back would be incredible. Is he even allowed to? He already served two terms
He’s not allowed to but people are saying Michelle could be the pick, but that would only be marginally better than Kamala
They need Gretchen, Pete, or Kelly
Jon Stewart. Someone go pull him and make him do it. There’s no one better to take down Trump.
He’d be miserable the whole time, but we’d all be better off. Please Jon!
I mean I’d love it and I’m going back and forth on this comment. His biggest negative is those who lean right will see him exactly as he is “a New York Jew”
That said, who better to trounce Trump and humiliate his ass? I think the only thing better would be Michelle Obama. Trump would lose his absolute shit debating and/or losing to a woman let alone a black woman.
Watch that fucker drop the N bomb in a debate against her lol
A 2-woman ticket would never work. It’s going to be very dicey having a woman leading the ticket with a man as VP, given how sexist the US electorate is.
What’s sexist is going on and on about how a woman is unelectable.
Yes, reality is sexist. But, you can’t just live in a fantasy land.
A friend of mine was running a restaurant, and before a major business meeting, her 2nd said that he should do all the talking because the other party was sexist and wouldn’t listen to a woman.
She fired his ass, rightfully. That is not what progress looks like. Step up and fight against sexism, don’t concede to that shit.
You, the French, have not been the target of a 40 year war against public education by the right wing. Americans are on average significantly less capable of rational thought because of it. Source: I am an American raised in the crippled education system I mentioned before.
It’s a bit naive to think Western Europe hasn’t been under attack from the right wing at least as long as the US has. They’ve had wars over it that never really reached US shores, and it never really went away. All of the strategies that have been used in the US were piloted and honed in Europe – look up the activities there by Manafort, Stone, Bannon, etc. all the same names who have been implementing the shit you’re seeing in the US were active in Western and Eastern Europe years before this. It’s been going on there far longer.
It’s amazing to me that people in the US haven’t been paying attention to what’s gone on there and learning from their successes.
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It’s pretty naive to think there is any other country on the planet that could cause the world more damage if turned fascist.
I never said that, and I’m confused how you got that from my comment.
In fact, if you look through my history, you’ll see I’ve said if the US goes fascist, that will be a huge problem for the whole world.
I’m not downplaying the threat at all – quite the opposite. We’re on the same side, and I’m not sure why you’re attacking me here.
I’m tired of people making light of this, I’m tired of people being passive about this, there is only one way that considering Biden stepping down literally weeks before the election, and that is everyone, not just Americans, clearing the discussion space for people who seriously desire and possess the ability to prevent trump from being elected. Yet EVERY SINGLE online space is carpet bombed with bots and human forum manipulators who are ALLOWED to exist because they hide in the memes and the jokes, being able to muddy the discussion and break morale all under the guise of ‘it’s a prank bro’ so they are immune to being called out. It’s already been well established that Lemmy mods are just as careless and agenda driven as the reddit mods we fled here to escape, so we can’t count on THEM clearing the conversation. It has to be the users, by:
- Not memeing for clout for a few fucking weeks for one goddamn time in human history
- Downvoting to oblivion everyone who does
- Only bringing content that forwards the goal of preventing twice impeached, convicted felon ex-president 45 out of office.
But this will never happen, because the users have ‘the right to play’, and their discourse of subtle anti-Harris ‘humor’ will spread like cancer, just like the anti-Hillary meme machine of 2016, and every mod and their mother will fight for those shitheads rights to slide us further and further into fucking fascism.
I’m tired of people making light of this, I’m tired of people being passive about this,
Hey man, so am I. We’re on the same page. I’ve spent the last 10 years trying to get people to take this threat seriously. That’s why I bring up what’s happened in Europe and how the far right has been piloting their ideas there. They’ve been planning this and working out the details for decades, but they’ve also lost during some of that. My point is maybe we can look at those losses and learn some things.
Many people in the US are totally unaware of that history and haven’t seen where they’ve been stomped back down. I’m saying we can look at their losses and learn something. Chest-thumping does nothing. We should be learning.
They’ve got an advantage because whilst most democratic leaders have been trying to govern and deal with crises, they’ve been systematically testing the fences. Like velociraptors, they’ll eat everyone’s faces at the first opportunity.
You’re right – we can’t make light of this or be passive. I’ve been trying to figure out how we can collectively resist for a decade. I didn’t want Biden to step down *because the threat is so dire, I thought the antifascist coalition needed the incumbent advantage (I now think I was wrong, and the timing was perfect, putting the fascists on their back foot with very little time to turn the their titanic campaign), and even though I don’t personally like Biden, I never said that because we can’t be divided and he was better than the Nazis on the porch. But now he has and this is where we are.
I’ve been downvoted for years for saying the things you’re saying – again, I don’t get why you’re angry at me. I’ve tried to get people to see the real state of things, and I’ll not stop doing that. All I can do now is convince people to vote, because that’s the only play we have left, but I’d like even more for people to understand the real threat. And I still don’t get why you seem angry at me when we’re on the same side.
A 2day old account has Lemmy figured out.
Ah yes, Europe never had to deal with such far right-wingers. We’d like borrow the term you guys came up with to describe them in case we ever face such violent fascists. What was it again?
Oh right, Nazis.
Those were mostly dead before you were born and you have likely never personally suffered at the hands of right wing violence.
My niece had her hand broken by a rancid nazi flag waving trumpfucker for having the gall to stand up for trans rights, but I’m sure the old-timey pro-nationalist graffiti you’ve have occasionally been forced to observe was just as harmful.
There are literal hard right militias training with military grade equipment on our own soil RIGHT NOW, and it is likely that most of the police force will join them.
No one you know or love is at threat more than my own family right now and I will NOT sit by quiet while greasestains like you try and marginalize this.
Not that I don’t agree with you, but do you really think the elderly edgelord forum warrior shtick is the best play? Taking a point from your own posts, is it really a good idea to post content online that might alienate potential allies? Food for thought.
If people are going to choose fascism because they were annoyed by an angry person on the internet, then this world deserves to fucking burn away to ash.
A “long” election campaign in the UK is 6 weeks. In 1992 they had one that was just 30 days.
Months is plenty of time, especially in the modern world. Maybe 250 years ago it was necessary to campaign for months on end so that the candidate could personally travel by train to every state. But, with modern media (both traditional and social), there’s no real reason for campaigns to be as long as they are. The only reason they’re this long is that the thought is that the earlier you start campaigning, the better. So, each side keeps starting earlier and earlier, making it effectively into a neverending campaign cycle.
US election campaigns have gotten longer, not storter in modern times. The reasons are complicated but mostly shitty.
Yeah, probably infinite money being pumped in allowing campaigns to start earlier and earlier.
Viva la France
We don’t really do coalitions here. Our voting system doesn’t allow for it.
It does happen within Congress itself though, when different sects of the two parties cross the aisle to join with the other party on certain issues. But since Congress doesn’t elect a prime minister, it doesn’t happen for the presidency.
I know. You’re missing my point. :)
My point wasn’t the coalition. My point was that we had 21 days to cobble something together and not only did we do it, we managed to win with it. It’s not about the coalition, it’s about building a campaign. You have months to do so.
And you’re about to say that Trump had way longer to do so. Yes. So did the far right in our country, which barely even campaigned because all of the media were doing so on their behalf for the last two years and we still managed to outnumber them.
Trust me, my faith in the Democrats is barely existent. But still, I think it can be done.
It’s a binary choice in the US presidential election, that isn’t even based on the popular vote.
The regime provides two choices, people do a circle jerk, regime gets their candidate.
Win win!
Unless you work for money
Well spoken.
A few months in politics is an eternity. Yes, things are chaotic right now, but this is short term. We can unify after this. And we can win.
France W
I fuckin’ hope so. 🤞🏽
Lord have merci
Why’d you put “win” in quotes?
Because we only have a relative majority and now Macron is teaming up with the hard right (not the far right, the other right right that is not center right… Yeah, too much right is wrong) to deprive us of any path to government. Shit sucks. But it could have sucked way harder.
It’s also a strategic moderate move to keep the hard right from merging with Reform.
I’m hoping the left wing parties aren’t locked out and still able to get progress made.
Cuddling up to the hard right might look like a strategical move but it never works. Normalising them only shifts the discussion further to the right. And let’s face it… in this post-factual time where all that matters is the narratives, giving them a platform will only help to brain-wash more people into believing right-wing fake-solutions to actual problems.
Couldn’t agree more.
Because, well, the left coalition came out ahead of the vote but then started to loose ground to political shenanigans. War is not over but a significant battle was lost.
America has no left wing. The dems have now handed Trump the win since its way too late to change the candidate and Harris is completely invisible
I’ll say just one thing:
Every single one of you assholes who wouldn’t shut up about him stepping down since the dude missed the toilet bowl fifty years ago after a particularly wild night out better sure as fuck step up now that Old Joe has stepped down.
A sitting god damned President of the United States has stepped aside less than half a year before reelection. Make no mistake: The man swallowed his pride and ego HARD to make this decision. Let’s honor that by creating a wall of votes so god. damned. thick. Riley Reid would gasp.
Am one of those “assholes”. Kamala was far from my favorite candidate in 2020, but I just donated a hefty (for me) chunk of change and will be volunteering. I didn’t need perfection, just a feasible path to victory in November and now we have it. I’m so pumped right now, project 2025 no longer looks like an inevitability. LFG!
Riley Reid: Oh god you’re going to make me vote
I’m voting at haaaaarrd
Nothing’s going to make her vote at this point, she’s just imitating it to please you.
I respect Biden, but who cares he swallowed his pride? He’s a public servant, his job is literally to do what’s best for the public.
I’ll be there in November!
Side note, maybe we can have Riley Reid for the candidate?
Unironically better candidate.
Younger, healthier, charismatic, great on camera, focused in stressful situations. Also, she’ll be great at dealing with congress because she is so experienced with dicks and assholes.
Being a self-made person through honest work would be frankly enough compared to an oligarch and a career politician.
“I’m Riley Reid and I (moans) approve this big, fat, thick message”
People are now saying Trump is winning because Joe step down. Like the fuck you guys want lmao
You gave them exactly what they wanted, are you surprised?
This is how you lose swing states. Troll farms couldn’t have done it better. Now let’s see how long before first smeer campaign pops up…
Against Harris? They have been going on for a while now, they just don’t get a lot of press.
I am one of those assholes. Once the DNC formally endorses a candidate I’ll donate to their campaign.
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man swallowed his pride and ego HARD to make this decision.
Should anyone care about his pride and ego?
Lmao
wouldn’t shut up about him stepping down since the dude missed the toilet bowl fifty years ago
Thats one way to to phrase giving unconditional support for genocide and then completely blue-screening during a debate.
It took pretty much the entire Democratic party calling for him to step down before he would.
He came out and said multiple times that he wasn’t going anywhere. He was forced out.
He came out and said multiple times that he wasn’t going anywhere
This was always going to be one of those things where “despite saying 8 hours ago that he was committed to the election and was not going to drop out, he has now dropped out”. You’re never going to see someone in these situations say “eh might drop out, not sure”
Exactly this. I knew all along that if Biden dropped out, it would be going from “I’m in this 100%” to “I’m out for the good of the nation” without anything in between. You can’t do anything but that in politics, because a wishy-washy ‘we’re evaluating what’s best for the country’ would be the death of his campaign, and he’d have no choice besides “I’m out” at that point. Might as well just rip the bandaid off and go straight to “I’m out” without any intermediary steps. Be fully invested until you make the decision you can’t be anymore.
You see it in sports all the time. “I’m dedicated to finding a good contract to stay in this city” then they sign a new contract with a new team.
So what.
The point is, it’s time to unite behind a candidate and look like we want to win.
Didn’t he also get Covid last week?
Wouldn’t surprise me if that’s what sealed the deal for him.
I mean the deadlines are closing and having to fight to even stay in the race while president of the U.S. and recovering from an illness is not something anyone looks forward to.
Frankly I hope he can catch a break for a bit, and enjoy a pension after all this is over.
That’s what was said, but it wouldn’t surprise me if that was just cover to plan and execute this maneuver
I will vote for whoever the Dems put up, as I would have voted for BIden. It’s fantastic that he stepped down, cause he is clearly unfit to serve. He should probably step down from the Presidency right now, asshole.
* for whomever
It’s the object of the preposition, asshole. Git gud.
It should be the objective case because it’s an object of the verb “put up”, not because it heads the phrase “whomever the dems put up”. Who/whom has to do with its role in its own phrase, not the larger sentence/clause. Contrast “I will vote for whoever wins the dem nomination.”
Truly a clarion call for unity.
Ironically she’s also known to have raped someone and didn’t get charged.
Well guys… Have you seen Trump’s mental decline since he last ran?! How old is he now?
Surely nobody would be dumb enough to vote someone that old into office now… That is… What we have been saying? Right guys?
I don’t understand you people in this thread.
Ever since the debate, people have been calling for Joe Biden to step down from the presidential race and give the place to someone else.
Now I read the comments and everyone is criticizing and accusing the Democrats of not knowing what they’re doing? Are you for real? They’re doing EXACTLY what people have been asking for. They’re doing EXACTLY what needs to be done if they want to win.
Fucking hell you guys, make up your fucking mind.
Sincerely,
A Canadian with severe anxiety over your next presidential election.
Oh boy, I can’t wait for armchair pundits who were calling for Joe to step down to now turn around and start to nitpick Harris as if that wasn’t going to be the obvious successor.
I’m 100% behind Harris or anyone who gets the Dem nom. Trump must be stopped.
This is still a battle for America’s soul. Are we going to accept the first female president or the first convicted felon president? I sure hope the left turns out for this one, even if they aren’t super stoked about it, because we might never recover from another Trump disaster.
I don’t prefer Harris, but am 100% fine with her. Any D 2024. Fuck the republican traitor filth.
I’m not super stoked about her, and I’ll crawl across 5 states filled with broken glass to get back home and vote for her.
She’s a very bland candidate, but at least she’s not 80 and fading.
Whether that’s enough to get people up off their arses and into voting booths, I don’t know.
You really need somebody that’s going to invigorate the centre and left, the way Trump excites the right. Dyed in the wool Dems don’t care who the candidate is, they’d have been happy with Biden’s corpse. The issue is there’s not a lot of time left for experimentation in finding one.
A female candidate can put Roe v Wade in the limelight the entire campaign, and that’s a really easy winning message (based on all the special elections since it was overturned)
The Roe v. Wade issue is a strong strategy, and I look forward to her bringing it up continuously.
“I’ve got conviction, Trump’s got convictions” seems like a good slogan.
There’s a shitload of time. We’ve been conditioned to think it takes 2 years to run a presidential campaign. Nonsense.
It’s going to be so crazy now; it’ll feel like years. Just wait and see.
I think the bigger issue is there just isn’t a candidate to invigorate the centre and left, and that might result in a dictator and convicted felon becoming the next president and destroying the country (and other countries along with it).
She’s an improvement and is sufficient to beat Trump.
I’m not going to discourage party leadership when they’re actually listening for once.
100% agree. I don’t see any reason why she shouldn’t have just as much of a chance to beat Trump as Biden did, when Biden was essentially coasting on the “not Trump” vote anyway. That’s not to say he didn’t have legitimate achievements during his term - he is doing a fantastic job as president, but he doesn’t do a great job at communicating that when the people that need to hear it are watching. His political messaging/timing is terrible.
Hopefully bringing Kamala into the forefront of the race will give the party a jolt of energy since it seems like a majority of the average voters approve of Biden stepping down. I’m just happy that we can finally shift the conversation away from age and aptitude and focus on the issues that people are going to actually turn out for - the economy, Dobbs, and SCOTUS nominations/reform.
It’s not just pundits, Nancy Pelosi wants Harris off the ticket. I already donated to her campaign and called my reps to let them know that’s a bad idea.
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Yep. She gets my vote as a living, breathing person that seems healthy enough. I’m not excited to vote for her, and I’m really concerned about our chances with her, but she’s not Trump and automatically gets my vote assuming she gets the nomination.
I’ve no problem with her whatsoever personally
Oh, I think you do.
No I actually don’t. I am very worried that Trump will win because she’s a little bland. IMO, she is more progressive than Biden and likely to make better decisions. I’m just stressing that she might be a little… bland for the American horde. They tend to expect an entertainer.
You don’t think leadership skill should matter in a President…?
For an American president? I mean, yes, hence my complaint. But to be clear, that’s not something the presidential job of making good decisions technically requires, except insofar as electing an American politician has become tantamount to choosing a babysitter for the masses.
and this is exactly why Trumps exist
one party is actively tearing down society and the other is complacent and the voters eat it up
Name literally one thing democrats are complacent on and don’t actively want to reform.
Support for genocide in Israel seems like the obvious one
minimum wage stuck $7.25
cannabis legalization stalled decades ago
women’s rights
police reform
https://www.courthousenews.com/democrats-push-for-17-minimum-wage-by-2028/
Democrats push for $17 minimum wage
https://apnews.com/article/marijuana-biden-dea-criminal-justice-pot-f833a8dae6ceb31a8658a5d65832a3b8
DEA rescheduling marijuana
… Are you serious about the women’s rights part? Republicans overturned Roe and they’ve lost every election with abortion rights on the ballot since.
You can look up the DeMoNcRaT cities that have started to send crisis response teams instead of cops for certain calls. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/state-policing-reforms-george-floyds-murder
You came with the receipts and they shut up.
Thank you.
The biggest hot-topic issue this election should have been abortion (and by extension, SCOTUS). But the discussion got side-tracked by all this talk of old age. The debate just reinforced the narrative and concern with Biden. They would have hammered him over and over, with Trump bragging about how quickly he recovered from an injury.
Now, we have:
- A sittingVP with actual Whitehouse experience, who can take credit for all the economic policies under Biden. Also, a former Senator.
- A prosecutor and former Attorney General vs a convicted felon.
- The age issue disappears (in fact, it now becomes a liability against Trump).
- A woman vs the guy who bragged about killing Roe v. Wade.
- Future of SCOTUS.
If she just keeps talking about those topics non-stop, she’ll do fine.
The only thing better would have been if Biden had resigned to let people see her in the actual role, but this works. She picks a mid-westerner as VP who can stand up to Vance and it’s a whole new ballgame.
I’m actually stoked about this race again.
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That’s why I’m never gonna cancel my USA subscription. Your shows always have a crazy twist right before the season finale.
Jokes aside: Not a single person who even considers voting for Trump is worth any hassle. Their vote is a coin flip on fucking acid. The dems should try to animate the lazy nonvoting pricks.
I know people will say this is bad, a new campaign will be rushed, etc. But I think we all know Biden was an excuse for many not to vote, or worse, to vote for Trump. Withdrawing will be his legacy when we win, not his failing.
Thank you President Biden. You are a hero.
I respect the decision and it means he goes out on top. It must have been a difficult decision, but he was one of the better presidents (I see an historian pol ranking him 14th best) and I believe history will remember him even better. I wish Joe Biden all the best in retirement.
Now comes the hard part. How do we avoid him having to say “I told you so”? How do we avoid repeating the disaster of the worst ranked President in history?
This whole Biden stepping down vs Trump saga is a metaphor for the American baby boomer generation’s approaches to their own reckoning of their old age and their reluctance to pass down the torch to another generation.
Trump gets attention for nearly getting assassinated.
Biden: Hold my Metamucil
I got the email at work this afternoon, and boy did I let out a sigh, not so much in relief, but in hope. Good for you for finishing your presidency on top, Biden. I hope he, Harris, and their staff are seeing the (general) commendation in communities like this. I really hope we can rally people to get behind Harris; I think it will be so much less of an uphill battle now to get the indifferent and the disillusioned and the “but they’re both old” voters out there with confidence.
I was holding back on donating, but I want to pitch in now. Does anyone know if you can donate as an employee of a federal contractor (i.e. I don’t hold the contract or a subcontract, I get paid by the contractor like any other employee, but my badge does say “contractor”). I can’t find a confirmatory answer online, and I don’t want to make a compromising donation since “not a federal contractor” is a requirement in the ActBlue fine print.
This decision really raises my opinion of Biden so much. God damn do I love that man, he is truly a great person who dedicated his life to serve his country, literally. He honestly had a great term given the circumstances, and the only thing he probably should have done differently is to not run for reelection to begin with. But he seemed to genuinely believe he could win and stave off Trump. Now that that seemed impossible, he makes a very courageous decision that a lot of people probably wouldn’t have made and puts the country ahead of his ego. Lots of respect from me, and I hope this reinvigorates the democratic base and makes the future brighter for all of us.
I’m nervous. Biden was a flawed candidate, but he already beat Trump once and had the incumbent advantage. Harris was a very unpopular candidate in 2020, and it’s unknown if any other candidate will do better against Trump. But since Biden chose to do this, there’s no doubt he made the right decision for him.
