Alternative headline: Trump finally tells the truth about something.
This is lacking context. He was paraphrasing something I believe is implied to have been said (or at least believed) by Bukele(the president of El Salvador)
Trump was talking about this country dumping all their criminals in the USA. He said:
“He liked to say he did something with a social experiment. A criminal is a criminal as they generally say a criminal and we don’t have time to figure it out, but we’re not going to take criminals and we’re going to get rid of the criminals that we’ve been given by all these countries from all over the world.”
Now if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt and interpret that “criminal is a criminal” line as something he is quoting from someone else, you go right ahead. I do not give him the benefit of the doubt though. Even if he is quoting someone else, he is not disputing the point. He appears to be accepting it as fact and his response is that he’s going to get rid of those criminals.
/Apologies for deleting and then un-deleting, I hit enter too soon while transcribing and wanted to avoid confusion.
Trump / Vance 2024: A criminal is a criminal as they generally say a criminal
It’s kind of Gilbert and Sullivan-esque. G&S would have a field day with trump.
Shouldn’t he be getting rid of himself then?
One would think so, but he’s clearly not that self aware.
He’s not a criminal in his mind. Because he’s a nutter.
Exactly what benefit is being given to him by allowing his complete lack of self awareness?
Yeah that’s fair, I’m not giving him the benefit of the doubt so much as just how I heard it(based on his voice, he wasn’t talking normally- instead he sounded like he was quoting), but there’s definitely two possible ways to interpret it.
Even if he is quoting someone… he’s quoting them for the justification of getting rid of them.
He clearly agrees with the statement.
Lol, context doesn’t help him at all. It sounds like he’s referring to the USA based on the words immediately around the statement.
So this is just another one of demented don’s stupid slips of his tangled tongue.
Nice, does this mean the people given 10 month sentences for Jan 6th are going back to jail for life? Thats what he means, right?
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I sure hope she doesn’t approve that message. I think with enough supports (food, housing, education, etc.), most people who commit crimes would stop. That, of course, is not enough for assholes like Trump. He’s racking them up like he’s going for the record.
In Norway, the recidivism rate, (percentage of people that end up back in prison for something else after being released) is around 20%. Here in the US its closer to 80%.
So there are definitely different ways to approach the problem.
Indeed! In the USA, the prison system is brutal and focused on punishment. There’s little chance of someone coming out of prison in the USA as a better, kinder, gentler person than they were when they went it. Hell, many prisons make it hard to get books even if a prisoner does want to better themselves.
Meanwhile, Norway’s recidivism rate in the 90s was nearly as bad as the USA’s. They reformed their system though. They replaced large prisons with smaller community-based correctional facilities so convicts could be close to their homes and maintain relationships. Many allow visits, including conjugal visits, up to three times per week. As you mentioned, the recidivism rate after 2 years is only 20%, which is the lowest in the world, and rises to only 25% after 5 years. They treat prisoners like people and allow them to stay a part, to some extent, of their community.
In a recent interview, Norwegian prison governor Are Hoidal talked about how prisoners are punished in the country. “In Norway, the punishment is to take away someone’s liberty,” he said. “The other rights stay.”
Norwegian prisoners have the right to vote, attend school, learn new skills, exercise, see their families, and even participate in extracurricular activities. In fact, in many prisons, the security officers participate in activities like fitness and yoga right alongside the prisoners.
This is all very deliberate, as Norway’s philosophy seeks to treat prisoners as human beings even as they are incarcerated. This approach is believed to make reentry into society easier. People still feel as valued as other citizens, and they leave prison with skills, confidence, and self-respect so they can become contributing members of society.
If you want people to be good and valued members of society, you need to treat them like people and allow themselves to improve themselves while incarcerated. If however, you want a person to act like an animal, then treat them like an animal. The USA’s punishment focused model treats prisoners like animals where a prisoner’s only focus is sometimes just to survive. Naturally, those learned behaviors become ingrained and they behave like that when they get out of prison too.
That requires treating prisoners like human beings tho. That might be a little much for most of us Statesians.
every time i say there’s no fucking way anyone will ever do something dumber than that, he proves me wrong the next day
