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Honestly I know people here are against Epic, but Google Play is such garbage that I welcome the epic store on Android.
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I guess it makes sense, seeing as they’ve perfected the desktop experience.
Right in the nuts
chef’s kiss
Epic about to introduce absolutely pieces of shit crappy third party launchers even on mobile.
Jesus, I was downloading and installing packages earlier for unreal 5.4 and it basically bricks my pc until the install is finished. Infuriating.
I hate Epic and won’t buy any of their games but I respect that they’ve taken Apple, Google, and Samsung to the cleaners over this shit.
But they didn’t. Let’s look at the facts:
- There are alternative stores on Android since forever.
- From 1, Opening a secondary store on Android was always an option.
- 30% they claim is abusive is the industry standard, i.e. no one is taking advantage of their monopoly to enforce that, because even in markets without a monopoly that’s the amount charged.
- Epic lost their lawsuit against Apple, which was the only company he was suing that actually enforced a monopoly in their platform.
- Secondary stores are allowed on Apple in the EU as a result of DMA which has nothing to do with Epic.
- From 5, Opening a secondary store on Apple is now an option regardless of what Epic did.
So you have one company that sued two others to be able to launch their store there, one of the companies wasn’t preventing them from doing so, and they lost their lawsuit against the other one. Completely unrelated to that, the EU forced that second company to allow third-party stores. Conclusion, Epic’s lawsuit has nothing to do with this announcement.
Let’s look at the facts
Yes, lets.
There are alternative stores on Android since forever.
I’ve already addressed this in other replies below. This goes beyond the existence of app store and into the abusive nature of them. Here’s some light reading for you.
Opening a secondary store on Android was always an option.
You’re just repeating yourself. Number go up, I guess?
30% they claim is abusive is the industry standard
Your parents should have taught you when you were 5 that just because other people are doing it doesn’t make it okay.
Epic lost their lawsuit against Apple
Well the EU picked up where the US failed. That’s why they have an app store. But Epic continues the fight regardless. As mentioned elsewhere, they won their lawsuit against Google with the state of California stating Google’s app store is indeed a monopoly. Epic is responsible for both.
as a result of DMA which has nothing to do with Epic.
Highly doubt that that is a coincidence. It has everything to do with Epic.
Apple is now an option regardless of what Epic did.
You’re repeating yourself again.
Conclusion, Epic’s lawsuit has nothing to do with this announcement.
Conclusion, you are wrong.
I’ve already addressed this in other replies below. This goes beyond the existence of app store and into the abusive nature of them. Here’s some light reading for you.
Irrelevant, the news from OP is that secondary stores are now allowed on Android and iOS. Not defending Google or anything, but whatever abuse they did is irrelevant to this point. The fact remains, other stores exist on Android.
You’re just repeating yourself. Number go up, I guess?
No, 2 is a conclusion from 1. You didn’t even got through 1 properly trying to bring whatever bad things Google might do with their power, fact 1 is there are other stores on Android, fact 2, which is a conclusion derived from fact 1 is that Epic could have released their own store there regardless of the lawsuit. This takes Android off the picture from the remaining of the discussion.
Your parents should have taught you when you were 5 that just because other people are doing it doesn’t make it okay.
That’s not the point, if someone claims that a company is using their monopoly power to force a high tax on developers, but the tax is the same on every other store regardless of being monopoly or not then their argument is bullshit. Why do you think developers pay 30% to Steam? If they thought Steam didn’t provided value they would just not release there. But they do, therefore 30% is not abusive, it’s what developers are willing to pay for the service.
Well the EU picked up where the US failed. That’s why they have an app store. But Epic continues the fight regardless. As mentioned elsewhere, they won their lawsuit against Google with the state of California stating Google’s app store is indeed a monopoly. Epic is responsible for both.
No they didn’t, DMA is an extension of GDPR and P2B Regulations, it has nothing to do with Epic.
Highly doubt that that is a coincidence. It has everything to do with Epic.
Like I told you in your other reply, laws as complex as DMA don’t get written in a short amount of time, it’s impossible for these to be related.
You’re repeating yourself again.
Again, I’m drawing a conclusion from a point before. From 1 you have 2 which means the lawsuit has nothing to do with Android, and from 5 you have 6 which means their lawsuit had nothing to do with iOS either, since those are the two platforms being discussed we have the overall conclusion that the lawsuits and this announcement are unrelated.
You haven’t disproven any of the propositions, nor found any logical error with the conclusion from those propositions (in fact both times you thought the conclusion was just a repetition of the proposition before). Just claiming I’m wrong is not gonna cut it, unless you have any facts that counter anything I said my conclusion stands.
Nothing prevented Epic from opening their own Appstore on Android. Heck, Amazon runs their own you can load on your Android phone if you want.
None of that means Google wasn’t exploiting anticompetitive measures to ensure everyone has to pay their exorbitant 30% tax in their app store. At least, that’s what the State of California determined when Epic took them to court.
I’m pointing out that what the article is showing (Epic opening their own app store) was always an option for them. The court ruling on Google’s app store didn’t enable that. It was always an option. This isn’t true on the Apple side, though. A non-Apple app store on iOS would be a significant change.
I know all of that. I’m not sure why you replied to me though.
Your comment was:
they’ve taken Apple, Google, and Samsung to the cleaners over this shit.
The article is talking about a new app store. A new app store wasn’t part of “this shit”. Yes, Epic sued and got changes to Google’s app store pricing, but that has nothing to do with this article’s topic. I’m not that invested in this conversation, but you asked why I responded and that’s why. I hope you have a fantastic day!
Months after the initial announcement, the prolific game and technology company announced today that the Epic Games Store is now available for iOS and Android devices.
Read better.
Read better.
Oh my, this is embarrassing for you. Look at my very first line in my quote:
"Nothing prevented Epic from opening their own Appstore on Android. "
So is this where I tell you to “read better”?
The iOS version also has nothing to do with their lawsuit of Apple, they lost that one. It’s due to an unrelated law in the EU, which is why this is only available in the EU.
The state of California also determined that 30% tax was okay for Apple to charge, so they’re not very objective with their determinations.
One was a jury trial and the other wasn’t. Google had plenty of records of their internal communications but Apple had a different practice. This article by The Verge does a decent job at highlighting the differences.
You mean the same fee every store under the sun charges? Epic is the only one that doesn’t, and they pretty much just do it for marketing.
They are not the good guys. They’re Elon Musk before he took the mask off, though it slips through now and then.
You mean the same fee every store under the sun charges?
Yes, that one.
They are not the good guys.
Didn’t say they were.
They’re Elon Musk before he took the mask off
Don’t know what mask you speak of. Timmy has never had one.
So you just repeat his talking points because you believe in him?
…huh?
None of that means Google wasn’t exploiting anticompetitive measures to ensure everyone has to pay their exorbitant 30% tax in their app store.
Something he repeats ad nauseum.
I find it hard to believe someone so invested in this outcome knows nothing about it.
Yeah. I’ve had Amazon’s for a very long time. There was never anything preventing epic from making their own store. Epic was trying to make Google play store host the download for the epic game store.
It’s a bit more than that, though. Epic lost their lawsuit against Apple but they won theirs against Google.
Google was colluding with OEMs to stifle competition on Android, and that practice was determined to be anticompetitive. Sure you could always jump through the Google-mandated hoops and install a third-party store, but then you could also always install other browsers on Windows even when Internet Explorer was the default, and that was also determined to be anticompetitive.
Which is silly, since Apple has gone beyond colluding, and simply blocks everything they can within their walled garden. You’ve never even had the option to install other app stores or sideload apps on an iPhone. Meanwhile, you’ve always been able to on Android. For the past several years it will even hold your hand and highlight/show you what options you need to allow to do it within the OS.
I agree, but that’s what the courts decided. IANAL but I’m assuming it hinges on the pretense that Android is supposed to be an open ecosystem where partners and OEMs are given fair treatment, while iOS is a top-to-bottom “product” controlled by a single company that makes their own business arrangements.
In short, Apple deciding to block Epic from having their own app store, fine. Google bribing/coercing Android OEMs to prioritize the Play Store and not pre-install or facilitate the Epic Store, not fine.
I don’t think the courts would have cared if Google locked down their own Pixel phones to block out Epic, but it’s the act of throwing their weight around as the OS provider to their business partners (the OEMs) that they took issue with.
Yep it’s so true that they did it many years ago. This journo must be on drugs.
The only good thing came out of Fortnite is the money to fund those lawsuits.
I have well over 300 games on Epic Games Store. I have played zero. I don’t know why I keep getting the free games every week, but Steam is where I keep buying. Eventually, I’ll play something on there.
I’m the same way but use heroic games launcher even on windows if that is what you run. Its lite on CPU and you have access to epic gog and epic. if you like the games you played then by them on steam then.
Heroic works great on my steamdeck, too. How I’ve played several games from gog or free epic games on it.
I rigged up origin on the SD before there was an easier implementation to do it, though. That was like a 94 step nightmare, but Assasins Creed Black Flag runs great.
I’m counting on Linux support becoming better. Although I guess Heroic Games Launcher is almost there already.
I played Prey because I got it free from there, never would have otherwise, but I’m never even giving them my card details
Also as someone else said, heroic launcher is good if you don’t want to use Epic’s horrible launcher
I only ever played hades which I bought for €5 when it was still €15 or more on steam. But even them I just added it as a 3rd party game to steam lol.
I got Control for free, then I bought the DLC for it in there.
Don’t buy on steam, you can use other vendors and just use steam. Don’t feed the beast
Judging by the downvotes, people really don’t like being told not to use our favourite DRM, huh… anyway, the reason people buy on Steam is for all the features and functions. Other than personal controller configs, most will not work with non-Steam games. Family Sharing, Remote Play, Workshop, premade controller configs, achievements, playtime, and any social features. Of course if you don’t use any of these, then supporting a smaller store is great!
I still use steam it is the best no doubt but my concern is everybody spending money there. Steam does not require you buying game from them. You can buy steam codes all over internet.
My thesis is to decentralize your purchases while still using steam. I still buy some games there but smaller devs will sell codes direct so that’s my preferred route. For AAA shite, i will do gray market codes because fuck them.
Gamestop sells codes too.
Steam return policy is good though to check games out, so something to keep in mind.
Store exclusives are coming to mobile :/
Fuck epic
As a gamer for over 40 years, I don’t play games on my phone. I find it boring, monotonous, and repetitive, along with the ads, gatcha mechanics, and whatever trash they’re pushing. If I want to play a game, I’ll use my desktop or Switch.
I play shattered dungeon.
Game boy emulators.
TIC-80 and PICO8 games.
Native android Final Fantasy VI.
There are some good options for phone gaming.
Has this not been a thing for a while? What app do I have on my phone?
“Also why does Google search keep taking me to random crypto sites?”
No seriously I had to install an Epic Games app to get Fortnite on Android a while back.
Have I seriously had a virus on my phone this whole time? Am I that dense?
That’s the real official thing. But today the journo heard it for the first time.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they had a launcher before and they’re releasing a “Store” now that Google and Apple have been slapped with anti-trust lawsuits. I think your best bet would be asking the folks at the Epic forums.
Did a little research and it looks like that’s exactly what it was, just an app that existed to update the few first party titles they had
I don’t remember the last time i played a game on my phone tbh
Me either but it’s an ENORMOUS and very profitable industry.
Apple Made More Money on Games Than Xbox, Sony, Nintendo and Activision Combined in 2019
That’s JUST Apple and JUST mobile games.
Yeah, what we really needed in this world was Epic Games doing anything ever.
TLDR: you can get it from the url http://epic.download
Looks like it only has Fortnite, Fall Guys and Rocket League on there for now
The bastards actually built what looks to be a nice platform. I can’t wait to install a different launcher for every app on my phone!
Better to have competition than relying on the same launcher for every app. Monopolies are convinient but actually really bad for you.
Yes but here’s the thing. I bought my iPhone because it’s damn simple. I don’t like spending time on my phone, simple is efficient. I’m envisioning a future where I have a folder full of wallet apps because every debit/credit card institution creates their own. All circumventing the privacy restrictions Apple forces on their AppStore. Truly the consumer has lost in this situation. If I didn’t want to use the AppStore - I would have bought a different phone.
Just STFU man
And is paying to have a game exclusively on your store good? Remember: Most people use Steam for the features it has (arguably whether necessary or not). Remember when it used to scan your Steam friend list file? Or the fact that it took three years for a shopping cart? Or the fact that the UI looks barebones? Oh, and Goat Simulator 3 was paid for as a temporary exclusive, and they were like, “Yeah, add it as a non-Steam game🤷♂️”? Or the fact that when someone hacks your account, you can send all the proof you want, but they say, “Nah, fuck you,” while Steam does a better job? I can say that because, even if not directly, I helped someone recover their account with a simple email screenshot and receipt of a payment. Competition is good if you offer something better, and no, “free games” are not something better. People are even complaining about them because they don’t give away AAA games but only “garbage” or repetitive ones.
That’s the normal user base you get in their https://lemmy.world/comment/11811952 collect and never play
Ahahahahah downvoted for facts lol at least is all available online what I say. The truth hurts
For what it’s worth - I think I agree with you. But your message rambles on and never makes a concise point. That’s most likely why the downvotes. You can always ask a LLM to tidy it up for you next time.
Edit: LLM = Large language model.
LLM? The point is to never use something so inferior. It’s not a good competitor, it only ruined the gaming industry on pc
Only for EU iPhones, right?
Yup. Worldwide on Android but only EU on iPhone.
Maybe the EU will eventually extend these rules to the iPad. I’ve already tried installing from the epic website and the process is not that bad.
Not even joking, if they honor their cut rates for Unreal Engine from the PC Store this will be very big.
Unreal Engine is pretty good value for money already. You can make quite a large amount of money as an indie Dev before you have to give them any cut.
