• Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml
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    3 months ago

    Lmao they told us about this one.

    “Goldman Sachs” did not give money to the PSL. A rich class traitor with a Goldman Sachs bank account gave money to the People’s Forum, which is affiliated with but not exclusively dominated by the PSL.

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        It’s just what I’ve heard, being a PSL member.

        The PSL obviously has ties to the People’s Forum but it is an independent organization and many people who are not MLs but consider themselves left-wing donate to it.

        The idea that PSL is being funded by Goldman Sachs of all things (and they’re just sending open donations labeled “Goldman Sachs”) is patently ridiculous fed-washing.

        “Suspicious” funding like is good supporting evidence if an organization has otherwise sketchy behavior. I’ve met Eugene Puryear and Brian Becker and Nino, most of the rest of my branch has met Claudia and Karina when they came to Ohio (I had work 😔). It is not a shadowy organization, they are not sketchy, they have the correct line on every important policy and are keen on education on Marxist theory and the history of Socialism in the U.S. and how the exact same tactics being used against the PSL have been used historically against the Black Panthers, the CPUSA, the Labor movement, the Socialist Party.

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            Actual controlled opposition groups are:

            • the anticommunist or anti-AES left (see this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1sJ2uZ4aaQ )
            • patsocs (obviously)
            • ‘socialists’ who somehow still support the Democrats (e.g. DSA, CPUSA leadership for some reason)

            PSL interferes way too much in the US presidential elections to be controlled opposition. The Democrats wouldn’t constantly be trying to kick PSL candidates off ballots otherwise.

            The PSL also actively educates about AES states and revolutionary movements through their party and associated orgs like Breakthrough News (Eugene Puryear and Brian Becker are hosts on it).

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              What people mean by controlled opposition in the case of PSL is that they just make people go to marches and protests instead of actually planning for a revolution.

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                My guy, how is PSL’s work of education, organizing, and setting up alternative news organizations not ‘planning for revolution eventually’?

                If you want them to start doing actual combat eventually ala the Black Panthers, the PSL first needs to build a critical mass of support among the people via their current educating and organizing. Otherwise they will get annihilated by the Feds ala the Black Panthers.

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    A lot of people already commented here, but I’m giving my 2 cents. Socialism is not a purity contest. If money is used to mobilize party resources and there is a capitalist class traitor willing to donate, why are we going to refuse?

    Instead of analysing details such as the donors, always look for what people are doing in practice. Are they educating new members properly, are they fighting disinformation? Is there any situation where the party members avoid discussing a topic because of a specific Goldman Sachs advantage? Practice is the criterion of truth, not identity or moral purity.

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      It does say though

      “Though Goldman Sachs does allow senior employees who have contributed to this fund to recommend where they would like the money to go, ultimately the firm has the final say. As the firm makes clear it “owns the assets” and has “the final authority with respect to all investments and grants to recipient charities.”

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    Without knowing all of the details of this specific circumstance, I’d like to state that Goldman Sachs does have donor-advised philanthropy funds. Anonymous donors (likely class traitors) have used this mechanism to donate to various socialist programs and parties in the past.

    I don’t know if this specific instance applies, however.

        • SadArtemis🏳️‍⚧️@lemmygrad.ml
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          Not even “useful idiots.” If it repeats fascist talking points over and over again, and consistently sides with the fascists, they are fascists.

          And if they “somehow” aren’t (which isn’t ever the case), by their actions they are indistinguishable and deserve the same punishment as the fascists. We don’t hate fascists just because they identify as fascists, just like Hitler would not deserve the death penalty simply for being born “Hitler”- their crimes are a matter of their actions.

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        Fash Busters demonizes Russia for fighting back against UkraNazi western encroachment and they slander Hamas/Hezbollah/Ansar Allah as being “terrorists”

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        They’re not anti-fascist. If they side with Banderites and Zionazis then they are pro-fascist, regardless what they brand themselves as.