I know these federated communities exist as well as raddle, but it still seems like most people will stay on toxic and corporate-run platforms like reddit or Twitter. I’m far from perfect myself and I still use reddit sometimes, especially for more niche communities, but when it comes to ideologically strong communities like the anarchist ones, it just feels wrong that the majority still hang out on reddit. Or you know, moving to something like Bsky when Twitter became too toxic but which is still run by a large, for-profit corporation (if they moved in the first place). What are your thoughts? Is there any justification for this?

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    Hexbear can indeed be very offputting to anarchists

    You should ask the anarchists on the hexbear anarchism comm. I’m sure they will share some reasonable criticisms but also explain something similar to my general sentiment.

    especially those who learned from history that “left unity” isn’t.

    Which decades or so?

    It’s why slrpnk.net has outright blocked hexbear

    slrpnk.net preemptively blocked hexbear by fiat of admins and without any kind of vote. A very, very funny thing for an “anarchist” instance to do, don’t you think?

    and they also managed to alienate all the admins of dbzer0

    So you mean yourself when you were acting like this? https://hexbear.net/post/2489084/4892908

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      You should ask the anarchists on the hexbear anarchism comm. I’m sure they will share some reasonable criticisms but also explain something similar to my general sentiment.

      They’re free to venture out and tell us. Or do you also claim they don’t come out of hexbear because the rest of us don’t accept “AES” and haven’t read enough Lenin?

      Which decades or so?

      Plenty of learning experiences throughout the last century.

      slrpnk.net preemptively blocked hexbear by fiat of admins and without any kind of vote. A very, very funny thing for an “anarchist” instance to do, don’t you think?

      Sure if you don’t understand anarchism and think one always have to make an affinity group instance. It’s also a very hypocritical argument when coming from MLs who routinely talk about giving “critical support”. I.e. they understand not everything can be perfect all the time, but when anarchists are not perfect, it’s a gotcha.

      So you mean yourself when you were acting like this? https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/19918886

      Like what? Use your own words, don’t just link to a thread full of bad faith takes. Cmon, you didn’t even link to the first de-federation thread.

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        They’re free to venture out and tell us. Or do you also claim they don’t come out of hexbear because the rest of us don’t accept “AES” and haven’t read enough Lenin?

        I made that recommendation before I realized you had been banned for harassing people. So I would recommend that anyone else follow my advice.

        Plenty of learning experiences throughout the last century.

        So the whole last 100 years? Or are there certain decades?

        Sure if you don’t understand anarchism and think one always have to make an affinity group instance.

        Voting on site-wide decisions does not require modeling an affinity group, it is not unique to an affinity group. Anarchists create collectives with participatory decision making of many kinds. What they rarely do is have a couple people make the major decisions on everyone’s behalf without others having a say.

        It’s also a very hypocritical argument when coming from MLs who routinely talk about giving “critical support”. I.e. they understand not everything can be perfect all the time, but when anarchists are not perfect, it’s a gotcall mere

        It’s a complete absurdity, not imperfection.

        Like what? Use your own words, don’t just link to a thread full of bad faith takes. Cmon, you didn’t even link to the first de-federation thread.

        You want me to repost screenshots of you harassing people? I’d rather not.

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          I Didn’t harass anyone, but I know that’s what hexbears love to claim. Do feel free to post any evidence of me “harassing people”. We’ve been over this before. Calling a power tripping mod a pos isn’t “harassment” and y’all are cheapening the word to win internet arguments.

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              I don’t demand or request. I am just stating, as I’ve done many times before, that I didn’t harass anyone and there’s no “evidence” out there proving otherwise. All there is, as usual, is hexbears diluting the meaning of the word “harassment” to character assassinate those they collectively dislike.

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                You did, of course, repeatedly throw abuse, and it was entirely in line with the instance rules to then ban you.

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                  No I didn’t “repeatedly throw abuse”. I don’t care about being banned. But I do care about the disinfo you’re spreading. I called them PoS once after being constantly goaded by them and their communities and banned based on a hypocritical reason which is one of my triggers, and them simply replied to the insults and goading thrown at me further in PMs.

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          So the whole last 100 years? Or are there certain decades?

          The whole but of course a ton of hard lessons learned in the 20s and 30s

          Voting on site-wide decisions does not require modeling an affinity group, it is not unique to an affinity group. Anarchists create collectives with participatory decision making of many kinds. What they rarely do is have a couple people make the major decisions on everyone’s behalf without others having a say.

          Surprising concept I know but did it ever occur to you that slkpnk and dbzer0 is not just for anarchists? Maybe mull on that concept and what it means for instance-wide voting.

          there’s plenty of decisions that don’t need voting, even between anarchists. You don’t vote on each ban your> admins and mods take either. This is all just hypocritical gotchas again

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            The whole but of course a ton of hard lessons learned in the 20s and 30s

            So the period I initially noted.

            Surprising concept I know but did it ever occur to you that slkpnk and dbzer0 is not just for anarchists?

            Describing those instances as anarchist was your doing from two of your comments ago: “Hexbear can indeed be very offputting to anarchists, especially those who learned from history that “left unity” isn’t. It’s why slrpnk.net has outright blocked hexbear and they also managed to alienate all the admins of dbzer0. Likewise they get very little respect from anarchists in places like kolektiva.social.”

            Now you’re just being inconsistent.

            there’s plenty of decisions that don’t need voting, even between anarchists. You don’t vote on each ban your> admins and mods take either. This is all just hypocritical gotchas again

            You probably should, given the above examples. Naturalistic fallacies don’t justify top-down fiats on major decisions.

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              So the period I initially noted.

              Did you miss me saying “the whole” just before that?

              Now you’re just being inconsistent.

              OMG you are really deliberately obtuse. There’s anarchists on these instances but it’s not just anarchists. Cheezus crust!

              You probably should, given the above examples. Naturalistic fallacies don’t justify top-down fiats on major decisions.

              Sorry I’m too dumb, can please explain where I did a naturalistic fallacy?

              Anyway, it’s not a major decision to define what kind of instance one federates on init. I did as well when I defed lemmygrad and exploding heads. If done on start, people know what they’re joining. Again, a vote is not needed on everything and not everything is a “major decision” just because you claim it is.