I literally don’t care about the Hunter pardon. Trump pardoned Russian spies. I think pardoning a child for a dumb drug offence is fine. 🤷♂️
I care that he’s not pardoning people in immigration detention. Instead he just pardons his crackhead son and leaves.
Yup he could on the way out make dreamers and none criminal migrant citizens but nope. Remember it’s a small club and we ain’t in it. Also shows Democratic leadership is happy with any outcome of elections because they still come out on top regardless. Did Nancy Pelosi’s or Obama’s life become more difficult because of the election? Nope. Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries are still going to get their beachfront Villas in Gaza. So they never really try to win.
He can’t blanket pardon people. He would have to do one for each person.
He could still pardon them all, it’s not like his hand would cramp from signing too many papers! Go through, one by one, and pardon them all.
And all the people on federal death row, that Trump is going to kill.
And all the people with federal marijuana charges.
And people like Leonard Peltier and Julian Assange while he’s at it.
What’s stopping him?
He can’t blanket pardon people.
Where did you get that idea? It’s been done before. In 1977 for example, President Carter, issued a blanket pardon to everyone who dodged the draft during the Vietnam war.
There are, in fact, very few limitations on the power of the pardon.
Forty-five years of neoliberal salami slicing via lesser-evilism is how we got to this place.
I love how libs are utterly incapable of discussing things without using Trump for framing. He’s also not pardoning drug offenses, he’s pardoning the whole Burisma thing which is at the very least a FARA violation. That’s why the pardon is sweeping from the start of 2014.
I also love the “protect Hunter at all costs” framing. “a child” not “his child”, “a child”, a 44-54 year old child.
lol yeah he’s a middle aged crackhead
I think pardoning a child for a dumb drug offence is fine. 🤷♂️
His son is hardly a child at 54 years old. Biden is also responsible for thousands of people behind bars because of “a dumb drug offense”.
I don’t think that Trump should be the bar for morality and ethics in this country. It’s lazy to bring him into this conversation.
You’re right. I should have said “his son” instead.
His son is hardly a child at 54 years old.
I’m sure parents always will see their children as children, no matter their age.
I’m specifically talking about the silly framing of “a child” rather than “his child”
Going back three decades when everyone thought a “war on drugs” would be a good idea is also lazy to bring into this conversation. As President, Biden freed more victims of that war than all other presidents
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Biden sponsored the crime bill that put those people behind bars in the first place.
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Biden abused his powers to pardon his son for crimes that other people will remain in prison for. Crimes that are more severely punished because of Biden.
Its actually quite relevant to the conversation
Abused his power?
Abused his power?
Yes, I would say that pardoning your own son as president is a conflict of interest, unethical, and an abuse of power. It demonstrates that Hunter is above the laws that Joe Biden helped architect. I’m surprised that this sentiment is so controversial.
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…A child?
Does “an offspring” sound better? A “progeny”!?
If you can’t deduct that they mean HIS child then I’m sorry but you’re why disinformation is so effective.
…Wow, y’all are really losing it over this, aren’t you?
Just tired of people being willfully ignorant
there are so many other people’s children in jail for dumb drug offences…
All drugs should be legal.
We all know humanity will refuse to unclench our collective butthole regarding capitalism during our lives. At least let us get high as fuck on whatever we want while we wage slave to barely make it.
Perhaps it’s more about the working class suffering then it is about money and power. Remarkable if that’s true.
Tell Biden drugs should be legal to his face he’d have you enslaved at your nearest private prison. This is how little of a shit he gives about criminals and their upbringing. He should have kept that same energy, but as always, rules are for the poors.
Meth? Crack? Fentanyl?
Yes.
Making drugs illegal doesn’t stop use. It just makes it essentially impossible to know you’re getting a clean supply that isn’t laced with something else, or accidentally 100x as strong and it kills you. Plus it does nothing to address why these people felt the need to turn to these highly addictive and deadly drugs. If anything it makes the problem worse.
Based.
If everything else was legal, people would stop dying from drugs laced with fent.
Drugs should be legal, driving recklessly with guns while high should definitely not be legal. I don’t think Americans deserve to die for walking around despite how much I hate their country.
Sounds like some classic whataboutism. What time is it in Moscow, comrade!?
That is very cute but any time you start talking about Russian spies republicans can now say Hunter Biden. What you meant to say is you only care when Trump does it.
Who gives a fuck about what the republicans or democrats say anymore? They’re all corrupt rich people who are full of shit and don’t give a fuck about you and never did.
Oh no! The two pro capitalist pro imperialist parties are trading barbs about dumb shit!
This I can respect.
Thanks. I respect what biden did for his son because the republicans would do (have done?) the same shit.
What I don’t respect is the endless wars of imperialism, the genocide, the handing over power peacefully to overt fascists, and biden not doing a single fucking thing while he’s a lame duck to protect us from the incoming government.
I do not respect what Biden did for his son because Biden did not do the same thing for every other person who suffered from republican (and democrat) policies. Primarily black inmates including those who suffered false trials.
Joe Biden did not save Marcellus Williams who was actually innocent.
What’s more, Biden is the single most influential man in the mass incarceration of America. He wrote the fucking 90s crime bill ffs.
Here he is, talking about leniency for criminals who aren’t his son
The only reason I have respect for it is because for once democrats aren’t the party of piety and taking the high road. It’s actually a bit refreshing seeing them muck around in the mud.
You’re totally right though. A whole lot of people should be getting pardoned for the drug war biden himself was responsible for condoning as a senator for decades. But then how would the prisons and those who contract with them for slave labor profit? Will anyone think of the poor investors?
Its funny how when it comes to normal people its always the high road, when it comes to genocide it’s always a process he can’t change, but when it comes to his son, no more high road. No one on the left cares about the pardon, we care that of all the times to break precedent, its not to stop the genocide but to cover his son. When someone shows your their priorities believe them.
What can he even do, short of doing the exact same thing Trump did on Jan 6th and essentially starting off open, armed conflict? Anything he tries to pass now will be immediately thrown out after Jan 20th. Increase SCOTUS seats? GOP will either just undo it or add even more to counteract it. He can’t make new laws, he can only do executive orders, which Trump can easily undo. So again, that leaves only violence, and we all know that won’t play out well, since that’d pretty much require Biden to kill off enough politicians, including Trump and Vance, to give the Democrats the majority in both the House and Senate. Outside of being unlikely, that sets a really dangerous precedent that would definitely backfire down the road.
Bottom line is that politicians aren’t going to fix this, since the root of the problem lies within the electorate.
The root of the problem is capitalism and imperialism, and the only way out at this point is a general wildcat strike and then violence. This country will never unify under labor power so violence it is.
I’d argue it’s capitalism without guardrails for consumer and worker protections that’s more problematic than capitalism itself. Just like with socialism, if it isn’t implemented and/or continually protected correctly, it eventually spirals into degeneracy.
And I’d like for society to avoid violence as much as possible. Anyone that throws that out as an option without heavy hesitation are those that haven’t experienced the horrors of open warfare/ violence at scale.
I would say at least the good portion of blame falls on our voting and economic system. We did not create the systems that oppress us, that would be the 1%.
Perhaps this is why slave rapist Thomas Jefferson said “God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion”.
By that logic you’d respect the democrats if they overtook the capital as well? Republicans doing something is a horrible reason to do anything.
Oh my god, I’d have so much respect for them if they did that. They won’t. They’re going to gladly hand over power to fascists because taking the high road is always the right thing to do to liberals. That and tone policing anyone who suggests something stronger than marching around with signs ineffectually.
I would say that the issue is not who is doing the pardoning but who is being pardoned. There’s a clear difference between Hunter being pardoned and Russian assets being pardoned.
any time you start talking about Russian spies republicans can now say Hunter Biden
Damn. Then I guess they win. All the Liz Cheneys in the world won’t be able to beat them
Here is the only issue I have with the pardon. Once Kamala lost, Biden should have started to go hog wild with last minute shenanigans in order to give Americans things they actually need. Instead he decided to pardon Hunter a full month before leaving office rather than helping us out and doing the pardon on the last day. Now, even if he does do things that will help Americans, nobody will notice because of the pardon.
Now, even if he does do things that will help Americans, nobody will notice because of the pardon.
I don’t know why you’re so concerned for Genocide Joe’s legacy, but if his last 47 months are any indication, he’s unlikely to uncharacteristically give Americans what they actually need in his 48th.
Not my buddy Jim Crow Joe, it’s these damn Republican fascists he considers his friends who won’t let him make America great again
Eh, he’s been pretty good over all. We’ve had better, though the list of worse Presidents is a bit longer. Over all, Joe did step up and get more done than expected for what felt like a forced square into a round hole situation. What he might not have done was solve YOUR issues.
The issue wasn’t his full term. The issue became his last handful of months and the absolute atrocity that is the DNC communication strategy.
I think the absolute atrocity was the genocide in Israel but then again I’m not a democrat.
I’m not saying it’s okay, but to give some historical context, literally every president of the past 80 years and the next 5 presidents would have and will do what Biden has done towards Israel.
It’s part of America’s foreign policy, which means there’s literally nothing we can do about, anyone hanging ones hat upon that alone is foolish. It sucks a lot and fuck Israel, but having America taking a hard-line against Israel is like asking water to stop being wet or Matt Gaetz to stop looking punchable
I’m not saying it’s okay, but to give some historical context, literally every president of the past 80 years and the next 5 presidents would have and will do what Biden has done towards Israel.
Ronald fucking Reagan forced Israel into a ceasefire with Lebanon, Syria, and the Palestine Liberation Organization. And it was a real ceasefire, unlike the current joke of a ceasefire Israel has with Lebanon that it keeps violating, and it held for a long-ass time.
Well, except REAGAN of all people, who told them to settle the fuck down on Lebanon, called it a genocide, and got the IOF to back off.
Ronald “AIDS is no concern, fuck the working class” Reagan was better on Israel than Joe Biden.
he was pretty good
he did some genocide but that is normal
You should do some self-criticism ASAP before you get correctly called a racist fascist.
This chancellor was pretty good, not a fan of his immigration policy but how about that Autobahn?
His administration is hopeless at messaging anyway so no one has known nor will they know anything Biden has done.
Why would the man that wrote the crime bill and helped throw millions of Americans in jail do anything to help Americans? 🤔
No wait, you’ll interrupt the natural process of jading that needs to occur before a larval leftist pupates.
Like a fine ice wine
Who cares if anyone notices the good being done? Do it anyways. How does this prevent that?
Dems need someone to notice if they want to ever have a chance at the big chair before the 2030’s.
There’s not going to be a 2028 election.
They’d notice if he had Trump and all his goons disappeared to a black site… You know, as an official act… Against terrorism and traitors even
They’re already trying to finalize rules, complete process do previously passed initiatives can be nailed down. The government can be very slow, and that’s a good thing for stability and fairness. It’s especially good to reduce the promised dumpster fire of the next four years.
Is there really anything he can start at this point that would have lasting effects? Going hog wild with shenanigans may be satisfying but not likely to do anything more than create headlines
I feel like creating headlines is sort of what the Democratic party needs right now though. They just lost what should be a slam dunk election largely because a bunch of people just didn’t show up. Flashy headlines probably make at least some of those people show up.
He has immunity. He could legit just start arresting people with the Guard
DNC: We’re the friendly fascists. We choose the corporation over the people in all aspects. We still worship the oligarchy the MAGA fascists will incorporate, we just choose the honey of caring about social issues as opposed to the vinegar of hating the others.
They have some good policy. So don’t forget that. If Americans voted based on policy alone they would do themselves a lot more good. That said, the DNC fails to win elections and have sceded so much power to the GOP already they might as well be the same.
They only have “good” policy when they know it’ll fail.
Not true
In the end, if people aren’t willing to vote against fascism, you cannot prevent it by establishing new rules (or in this case breaking the old ones).
You can’t vote your way out of fascism but you can certainly vote your way into it.
Maybe one of these days the liberals will fucking learn from history.
Yeah a lot of people blaming Biden when we all had a fair shot at voting against fascism. We suck. May as well actually accept that.
Don’t put yourself down at the request of those above you.
Pssh. I mean, I voted. I did my part. Millions others though didn’t.
I don’t why lemmy people find it so hard to not blame the DNC and actually blame the people who either voted for fascism or did nothing to stop it. Maybe because some of them are the very same as the latter.
Cause it’s not productive and doesn’t do anything.
We can blame the people that voted for it and not for it all we want but they are a manifestation of other issues. There is not a specific person you can blame when the numbers hit the millions. It becomes useless musing.
People don’t think like you. Just you. It then becomes on us and those that lead and aim to gather the support of others to figure out why they didn’t reach more.
I’m not saying it was right, but Hunter did get it rough solely because of who his dad was.
I’m not saying he didn’t deserve it, only that it wouldn’t have happened otherwise.
I don’t know that this is worth making a fuss over.
Hunter did get it rough solely because of who his dad was.
If you lined up all the crack heads in America and ranked them “has it the most rough” to “least rough”, I would challenge you to find 1% who have it better than Hunter.
If you lined up all the crack heads in America and ranked them “has it the most rough” to “least rough”, I would challenge you to find 1% who have it better than Hunter.
Exactly. What crackhead is getting off on a gun possession? That’s a slam dunk for a DA to put numbers on the board.
Libs just have their heads up their asses. Legalities around guns + drugs have been the corner stone of state suppression for decades. Libs love screaming about freeing their favorite rapper or how Regan is a hypocrite that passed gun control in CA, but suddenly pretend it’s not typical when their guy’s son catches a case.
My big issue with it is basically summed up by this meme. By doing this he’s established that he’s willing to break promises and take advantage of systems that republicans are abusing, but only when it benefits him personally. He could executive order a bunch of different things, and go on a pardon spree, but what he does with his power is just to pardon his son. Unlike the rest of us, a Trump presidency will basically not affect him at all, and the little it would/did has to do with his son and he doesn’t even have to deal with that.
Do I want his son in prison? No, not really. But considering he all but lied about being a 1 term president and refused to step down making a primary impossible, which at least contributed to the dems loss, it’s an extra slap in the face that the only real consequence he had to face is able to be erased by a stroke of his pen, and yet he seems to be doing nothing to protect or help anyone else who has been hurt by his decisions. I don’t think Hunter should suffer because of who his dad is, but his dad is making (and has made) us all suffer and is unwilling to do anything about it.
I’m not making a fuss about it, but if I was, it’d not be about the pardon, it’d be about how his big move as a lame duck with immunity confirmed by the Supreme Court is to get his son out of prison and watch everyone else suffer.
Wasn’t solely because of who his dad was. If his dad was just a regular rich dude with political connections, maybe. If he was one of the thousands of black men currently incarcerated under the law that Biden championed himself, hell no.
Really, he should have just taught his son to do powdered cocaine instead, since that is a rich person drug and thus has a much lower penalty.
Didn’t they look through records to figure out he may have been an addict around the time he bought a gun and that’s what he got charged for?
A law restricting access to gun purchases based on legislation not in the constitution. Thereby … exactly what judges have been trying to rule unconstitutional. So if the law is legitimate… Then states have full right to restrict gun purchases by any of their wants.
It’s all hypocritical shit.
If hunters dad wasn’t the fucking president and he weren’t rich he’d probably have life in prison just for all the crack he smoked
Hunter did get it rough
there’s a guy who doesn’t care about who got it rough and his name rhymes with genocidin’
Whomst among us hasn’t been given cushy jobs we aren’t qualified for in corrupt Ukrainian companies by our dad and then done a bunch of blow with prostitutes and tax fraud and illegally owned guns!? Clearly this is a witch hunt.
When in the fucking history of the USA has this shithole fought against fascism?
WW2, but it was a side objective, kind of a bonus
You really need to study WW2 better. Really
Do tell.
Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Operation Paperclip (and any other shit from OSS), Servia, Laos, NATO, Chinese Revolution, you can choose. If youd like a suggestion on where to start, theres a pretty good channel on yt called Eyes Wide Open, great resource with many checkable sources of information
Oh we’re in agreement, but what I meant is that, as much as it pained them, they happened to have fought other fascists also, but it wasn’t the reason they fought, obviously.
USA didn’t fight against fascism when it fought against Nazi Germany and literally fascist Italy because Laos and NATO
Lmao wat
Fighting nazis is not the same as fighting nazism. But you are clearly unable to tell the difference
Yeah it’s not like fascism was the literal state ideology of fascist Italy or anything lmao. Or Nazism of Nazi-Germany. Lol.
US continued to do business with the nazis well into the war, IBM is famously responsible for facilitating the holocaust. And of course, once the war ended the US promptly started internationalizing fascism as bulwark against communism https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/the-u-s-did-not-defeat-fascism-in-wwii-it-discretely-internationalized-it/
You have to vote for democrats even if they’re openly genocidal because at least they’re not corrupt
I love it how the liberals think “Well Trump did it too!” is some kind of own. America is so comically corrupt it is hard to take their government and the people who support it seriously
Lmao there are loads of those comments in this thread. I need to start blocking libs because they say so much fascist apologia
Yo, we’re in Trump land now, Fascism already won my dudes. Biden is just seeing the writing on the wall and adapting to the change. Trump already pardoned Jared Kushner’s criminal dad, so why not pardon your own son now? The game is changed and if you’re still holding on to ethical ideals you’re a fool. At the very least Biden is making sure they can’t chase his son as part of a witch hunt next year.
People voted for Trump or failed to turn out for Kamila, either way everyone now needs to get used to the new norm.
EDIT: The irony of blasting Biden for going against his word in his son’s best interest while Trump is about to become president is the most laughable hypocrisy I’ve ever seen. If this group is actually just a bunch of super leftist and not foreign manipulation then I look forward to watching y’all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine, the US leaves NATO, and western democracy collapses.
No no no, you don’t understand. We’re not responsible for the consequences of our voting decisions if Kamala ran a weak campaign.
I look forward to watching y’all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
I look forward to watching y’all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine
Wow, the liberals are straight up admitting their monstrous racism now?
the US leaves NATO
This would be good for the Global South, which is why Trump won’t do it
and western democracy collapses.
The West hasn’t had a workable implementation of Democracy to begin with, though if you finally recognize that are you going to sit out or do something about it?
It’s not an issue that actually affects them so they only pretend to care when it’s easy, then swap back the moment there is no backlash or they get what they want enough to not have to pretend again. That’s like the whole shtick of a liberal.
But we got to love them cause they are the superior liberal.
Yep. Rainbow Imperialism and all that. Weaponizing treating marginalized groups slightly less bad and just watching with glee when the slightly worse group does what it does. Liberals don’t actually care about marginalized people, which is why they shift from advocacy to sadism so easily.
Very well said. I’m NOT looking forward to watching anybody eat crow if all that shit happens. We will have far more pressing concerns than gloating over a bunch of petulant dickweeds who didn’t show up. They didn’t, and that’s that. The reality is settling in that America may be about to end - like every civilization does. It was fun while it lasted - Cheers!
It was fun while it lasted - Cheers!
No, it wasn’t, it was and still is a fucking genocidal shitshow right from the start to the end which can’t come soon enough.
All the trolls that were “liberals = genocide” or “eggs are $99” or “cant afford gas” while completely ignoring normal egg prices, seriously low gas prices, and trump’s plan to let the Israelis do whatever they want have switched to “Biden bad because pardon!” Again, completley ignoring trump’s pardons of criminals in his administration, family by marriage, and the fact we got a law absolving the president of any “crime” committed while president if the (captured) SCOTUS says it’s fine. But no…who cares about trump. Biden bad!!
Troll? Listen you absolute piece of shit. I sat with my wife while she was talking her friend in Beyrut. The friend had her family bombed. Your country did that. If I ever have a choice between genocide in america and fighting against fascism here, well, I hope you have a place to hide.
Yo, Fascism already won my dudes. Biden is just seeing the writing on the wall and adapting to the change.
So i infer from your attitude you too will be adapting to this change? My dude?
This had better be bait. Fuckin libs mannnnn quit breathing my air
Nah. Liberals gonna do whatever is easy for them and that’s gonna mean being a fascist and then chastising everyone else for making them be like this while they whip harder to see if it makes them feel more alive inside.
Not like either side is helping us. Kamala, Democrats, and Joe biden ran the last 4 years quietly and campaigned on no change. They lost the election by not convincing 250k voters in 4 states to not vote for them.
Joe biden pardoning his son is his legacy. Joe said he would be a one term president then tried to run for a second term ruining a primary. Democrats chose Kamala harris and she accepted. This country was founded on old people letting go of power and stepping aside and down. If George Washington wanted to he could have been a king. The old dems are grasping at power and control rather than trusting a populist candidate.
Joe Biden could be abusing his power and fighting for change from the bully pulpit to affect Americans and make an outcry but instead went back in his word twice and pardoned his son abusing his power for selfish gain.
Kamala instead of campaigning to fight hatred and cause change went with joy and changing nothing . She even capituatated to right wing talking points moving Democrats to the right. Even though policy wise leftist policy is good and ppopular policy.
Lastly the democrats ran a Hilary Clinton style campaign being a nerd with stats and defended institutions. Obama won because change Biden won because change.
I’m torn.
It’s bad to pardon family, but at the same time, I’d fully support pardoning a random person who had a no-prison plea deal the judge threw out after the defendant admitted guilt.
Especially when the crime that resulted in a jail time sentence is one that’s almost exclusively used as an add-on for violent offenders. Any person with a medical Marijuana card and a gun or who ate half a gummy at a friend’s house in a state where it’s legal while their gun was locked in a safe at home has committed the same crime.
But it also looks bad for him to pardon his son, and Trump’s sycophants will absolutely cling to this.
I agree with you that the sentencing was incredibly unjust and clearly politically motivated. I’m just incredibly frustrated that Biden is not doing anything that’s useful to Americans during his last few months in office.
That’s a pretty bold assertion that Biden is not doing anything useful to Americans.
Ok. What has he done in his lame duck period, or expressed intention to do, that helps Americans? So far I’ve seen him double down on helping Israel commit genocide and I’ve seen him pardon his son. I’m happy to be convinced otherwise but I’m sure not seeing it now.
They’ll cling to it but now that Hunter is pardoned all they can do is whine, just as Dems will do after Bonespurs pardons himself. But both will be done deals. Hunter Biden’s case will be over - no more wasting congressional time and resources with pointless hearings and investigations.
Yeah this is a man who committed a minor crime that’s rarely prosecuted who was sentenced because his father is President, he was about to have a real bad time because of who his father is if he wasn’t pardoned. I can’t judge Biden for this. He’d never have pardoned him if someone who would treat him on his own merits was the incoming president
How it looks is beside the point. If it’s moral then it’s moral, and people who are looking at it need to deal with it. As for what Trump’s sycophants will do, they’re going to do crazy s*** anyway.
When judges ignore plea deals, they are asking for people to strip them of power. That’s what happened here, the judge deserved what they got. If you can’t find justice in the courts, then to hell with the courts.
I really can’t blame him. If I were Biden, I would not want my child in a justice system controlled by Trump and his cronies
Exactly how I feel. It is certainly favoritism that undermines our justice system, but I think very few people would choose not to intervene to save a child they loved from great suffering, even if they knew their child had earned the punishment. It may be wrong, but it’s very understandable that in this case he prioritizes being a good father over being a good president.
I’ve been trying to say this I don’t ever want to hear republicans complain about people again Unwritten rules are out the window
The double standards on this are driving me mad, good on him tbh
I’m gonna grab a lot of popcorn 🍿 when Trump supporters suffer under the upcoming tariffs
umm, how about just having standards?
Why wouldn’t he pardon others with the same charges?Look, Biden only pardons drug offenders who are the victims of a concerted political effort to mess with their lives.
I want to be mad, but this is nothing compared to who trump pardoned.
compared to who Trump pardoned
…soon to include himself.
It’s funny that so many actually believed his BS. All so they could convince themselves they were “the good people”. It’s just so ridiculous.
Tbh, anyone getting actually mad at Biden over Hunter getting pardoned is kind of funny. Like, there’s way way better reasons to have grown to dislike Joe. Oh no, the president pardoned his son for form filing crimes.
Who cares?
He’s Mr. Genocide. This is actually one of the few actually human things he’s done.
I’m not mad at Joe, I’m mad at the libs who are defending the behavior. The dude drove recklessly while on crack, if anyone else did that they would be a slave in a US supermax for the rest of their life.
