Well I appreciate and have nothing but love for ya. For what it’s worth, I don’t feel ashamed of being vegan, quite the opposite since I literally have a V tattoo. With hindsight I can see that I overread and overthrought this exchange. But in my experience, it’s rare to have veganism brought up outside vegan communities as a positive thing so I tend to go defensive.
I’m an immigrant in Germany and I’d be pretty upset if someone responded to me speaking German and said “found the Americanz"
I understand completely, and I’m sorry that’s a reality for you to worry about. I actually have a whole vector that’s very different but also very simmiliar to this. As a trans woman, “found the X” is occasionally applied a by shitty folk if/when I talk about gender online, and several time in real life public areas. At a certain point, I know logically it’s immposible to win everyone over and I need to find serenity despite it all, but it often feels like no matter how much grace you can extend to someone who wishes to harass before it just becomes easier to assume everyone is harassing so.
But this is all on me. Thank you for this exchange, I’m sorry if it caused you stress and it’s my fault for initially assuming the worst of you. Context is almost always the biggest factor and i should’ve paid more attention to the kind hearted context you’ve displayed here.
Although, since I have you… xan I ask you a totally random tangent? Is Germany as vegan friendly as I hear? I know multiple vegan folk that rave about the regions restaurants and just sorta curious if you’d agree. ☺️
Absolutely all good on my end. Yeah, I very much react differently to the idea of saying “found the trans woman,” but I think that’s just because it seems like it could reasonably be taken as a threat or, even if not intended as one, still endanger the recipient. But yeah, that’s a great example of something where shame/judgment is uninvolved and it’s still not a good thing to say at all.
Germany is incredibly vegan friendly, to the degree that I haven’t been to a grocery store without at least tofu, various milk options, vegan yogurt and cream cheese, along with a bunch of traditionally vegan spreads (I currently have “spicy chickpea, tomato and bell pepper” and “pea and edamame”), no matter how rural the town is. There’s also the fact that good bread is a staple food here, so whole grains are really accessible. I don’t think the vegan friendliness applies to Bavaria, and I know it didn’t in Baden-Württemberg about 15 years ago (I had trouble then as a vegetarian in a student city, but I was also a lot less resourceful then). It definitely does not apply to Switzerland or rural Austria.
The hummus you find in vegan restaurants tends to be made with vinegar instead of lemon juice (but that’s not the case if you go to a Mediterranean or Middle Eastern restaurant or make it yourself) and slow cookers for dry beans cost a lot more money than they do in the US. Those are literally my only vegan-related complaints though.
Edit: also you can buy six Maultaschen (~600 kcal worth) for around 2€ basically everywhere. They can be eaten raw, sautéed, or in broth and they’re delicious and honestly pretty good for you.
Well I appreciate and have nothing but love for ya. For what it’s worth, I don’t feel ashamed of being vegan, quite the opposite since I literally have a V tattoo. With hindsight I can see that I overread and overthrought this exchange. But in my experience, it’s rare to have veganism brought up outside vegan communities as a positive thing so I tend to go defensive.
I understand completely, and I’m sorry that’s a reality for you to worry about. I actually have a whole vector that’s very different but also very simmiliar to this. As a trans woman, “found the X” is occasionally applied a by shitty folk if/when I talk about gender online, and several time in real life public areas. At a certain point, I know logically it’s immposible to win everyone over and I need to find serenity despite it all, but it often feels like no matter how much grace you can extend to someone who wishes to harass before it just becomes easier to assume everyone is harassing so.
But this is all on me. Thank you for this exchange, I’m sorry if it caused you stress and it’s my fault for initially assuming the worst of you. Context is almost always the biggest factor and i should’ve paid more attention to the kind hearted context you’ve displayed here.
Although, since I have you… xan I ask you a totally random tangent? Is Germany as vegan friendly as I hear? I know multiple vegan folk that rave about the regions restaurants and just sorta curious if you’d agree. ☺️
Absolutely all good on my end. Yeah, I very much react differently to the idea of saying “found the trans woman,” but I think that’s just because it seems like it could reasonably be taken as a threat or, even if not intended as one, still endanger the recipient. But yeah, that’s a great example of something where shame/judgment is uninvolved and it’s still not a good thing to say at all.
Germany is incredibly vegan friendly, to the degree that I haven’t been to a grocery store without at least tofu, various milk options, vegan yogurt and cream cheese, along with a bunch of traditionally vegan spreads (I currently have “spicy chickpea, tomato and bell pepper” and “pea and edamame”), no matter how rural the town is. There’s also the fact that good bread is a staple food here, so whole grains are really accessible. I don’t think the vegan friendliness applies to Bavaria, and I know it didn’t in Baden-Württemberg about 15 years ago (I had trouble then as a vegetarian in a student city, but I was also a lot less resourceful then). It definitely does not apply to Switzerland or rural Austria.
The hummus you find in vegan restaurants tends to be made with vinegar instead of lemon juice (but that’s not the case if you go to a Mediterranean or Middle Eastern restaurant or make it yourself) and slow cookers for dry beans cost a lot more money than they do in the US. Those are literally my only vegan-related complaints though.
Edit: also you can buy six Maultaschen (~600 kcal worth) for around 2€ basically everywhere. They can be eaten raw, sautéed, or in broth and they’re delicious and honestly pretty good for you.