Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.
Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.
If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
nice to see the blinders coming off more widely:
For instance, as Electrek reminds us, in 2016, Elon Musk made a promise. He promised that, by the end of 2017, a Tesla would be able to drive itself from coast to coast. We’re talking Los Angeles to New York, with no human intervention.
That was bulls**t. Listen to any tech CEO nowadays and you will hear nothing but an endless stream of wild proclamations about how so-and-so massive shift will occur within the next 10 years! Five years! One year! Next week!
God save me from arguing with HPMoR readers.
i assume this is in relation to this cognitohazard
Sadly no. Though thank you for making my life immeasurably worse by sharing that.
The Nerd Reich has a post with criticisms of Thiel’s Antichrist lectures, including some from European Catholic theologians.
Quick PSA: There’s an open letter calling for a fork of Rails, specifically to purge it of David Heil Hitler’s influence.
again, I ask you: please make better posts. you could start by not shooting from the hip about things you know little to nothing about. even better would be asking questions to learn.
CHOTINER: Mr Yudkowsky, it says here 20% of your research budget went to “harry potter”. Care to explain?
https://bsky.app/profile/jpeg40k.bsky.social/post/3lzrvedbfe22o
This week’s southpark makes fun of prediction markets! Hanson and the rationalists can be proud their idea has gone mainstream enough to be made fun of. The episode actually does a good job highlighting some of the issues with the whole concept: the twisted incentives and insider trading and the way it fails to actually create good predictions (as opposed to just getting vibes and degenerate gambling).
House Democrats have dripped more details from Epstein files and we have surprise guests! They released an un-OCR’d PDF; I’ll transcribe the mentions of our favorite people:
Sat[urday] Dec[ember] 6, 2014 ZORRO … Reminder: Elon Musk to island Dec[ember] 6 (is this still happening?)
Zorro is a ranch in New Mexico that Epstein owned; Epstein was scheduled to be there from December 5-8, so that Musk and Epstein would not be at the island together. Combined with the parenthetical uncertainty about happenstance, did Epstein want to perhaps grant Musk some plausible deniability by not being present?
Mon[day] Nov[ember] 27, 2017 NY … 12:00pm LUNCH w/ Peter Thiel [REDACTED]
From the rest of the schedule formatting, the redacted block following Thiel’s name is probably not a topic; it might be a name. Lunch between two rich financiers is not especially interesting but lunch between a blackmail-gathering Mossad asset and an influencer-funding accelerationist could be.
Sat[urday] Feb[ruary] 16, 2019 NY-LSJ 7:00am BREAKFAST w/ Steve Bannon
Well now, this is the most interesting one to me. This isn’t Epstein’s only breakfast of the day; at 9 AM he meets with Reid Weingarten, one of his attorneys, about some redacted topic. Bannon’s not exactly what I think of as a morning person or somebody who is ready to go at a moment’s notice, so what could drag him out of bed so early? (Edit: This vexed me so I looked it up and sunrise was 6:48 AM that morning at sea level. It would have been the crack of dawn!) Epstein’s Friday evening had had two haircuts, too, with plenty of redacted info; was he worried about appearing nice for Bannon? (The haircuts might not have been for Epstein, given context.) This was a busy day for Epstein; he had a redacted lunch date, and he also had somebody flying in/out that morning via JFK connecting to Saint Thomas and staying in a hotel room there. He then flew out of Newark in the evening to visit the infamous island itself, Little Saint James. The redaction doesn’t quite tell us who this guest is, but it can’t be Bannon because the Dems fucked up the redaction! I can see the edges of the descenders on the name, including a ‘g’ and ‘j’/‘q’, but Bannon’s name doesn’t have any descenders.
Also Prince Andrew’s in there, I guess?
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Any of the big Rationalists get mentioned yet?
From RationalWiki: Yud claims that the only women he gave orgasms for completing math homework was his future wife. If he ever denied dating / playing with people from his foundation or making people who wanted to play with him fill out an IQ test I can’t find it.
Any mention of my name is now often met by a claim that I keep a harem of young submissive female mathematicians who submit to me and solve math problems for me, and that I call them my “math pets”.
I see he did the whole ‘making an accusation sound more silly to undermine it’ thing here, nobody said things about a whole harem of mathematicians, who just solve math problems. Nice steelman. I expect nothing less of somebody who was the subject of seven broadway plays.
(Amazing he basically admits the story is true after that, but continues to debunk the strawman).
I also don’t understand why he objects to that story given that it gets people talking about him as weird but able to get what he wants? But the claim that he dated women at MIRI and wanted them to provide free labour attacks the narrative that MIRI is nothing like Leverage Research or the Zizians.
Yeah, I thought that it read like a guy who constantly denies rumors about having an enormous wang.
Dude is a serious narcissist.
and the person who made up the “math pets” allegation claimed no such source
I was about to point out that I think this is the second time he claimed math pets had absolutely no basis in reality (and someone countered with a source that forced him to) but I double checked the posting date and this is the example I was already thinking of. Also, we have supporting sources that didn’t say as much directly but implied it heavily: https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/42iv09/a_yudkowsky_blast_from_the_past_his_okcupid/ or like, the entire first two thirds of the plot of Planecrash!
TvTropes says that the Yudkowsky-insert protagonist of Project Lawful/Planecrash! is driven by desire to have 144 children (and prove his society wrong for not paying him to have 144) which sounds like Scott Aaaronson? Did they know each other in those days?
I am glad that all I knew about Yud in 2022 was “wrote a Harry Potter fanfic that I did not finish, and runs a website where people pretend to be experts.”
🎶 I would sire a gross of kids / and I would sire a whole gross more / just to be the man who dropped full two gross kids in baskets at your door 🎶
This is the first time that I have viscerally rejected reading the epigrammatic quotes at the top of a TV Tropes page. Like, it’s TV Tropes, and I just closed the tab. Dear sweet and crunchy lord.
He does not admit “I was wrong” very often does he? And if I were a kinky polyamorist, I would be much quicker to respond to “have you dated staff at the organization that funds your life?” than “did you play a specific scene?”
Planecrash seems to be the 1.8 million word Pathfinder fic with tumblr’s UnitOfCaring
And how the eff does someone claim to love Pterry in his dating profile but see people as things? Greg Egan is basilisk-unfriendly too.
New premium column from Ed Zitron: OpenAI Needs A Trillion Dollars In The Next Four Years. Features Ed calling Google and Oracle out for failing to protect their investors from Saltman before the cutoff.
Hey fellas they’re building a mako reactor in my back yard:
I need you to understand how nearly I added myself to even more watch lists because of that analogy. Avalanche!
o7
Developers of the 12-megawatt facility said it will bring jobs and investment to Nashville, but neighbors aren’t so sure.
The neighbors are right.
Cloudflare seems to be trying to make a shitcoin https://netdollar.cloudflare.com/
Okay, let’s see what the dumbshits are trying to sell this time
(This took longer than I’d liked, because copy-paste is pretty laggy on Cloudflare’s shit-ass page)
Built for the rise of agents and machines, NET Dollar will enable seamless, automated transactions without human intervention.
“Agents” are automatic data breach machines, letting them repeat that time they stole vibe-coders’ crypto on a larger scale is a terrible idea
The rise of autonomous agents and connected devices is creating a new economic paradigm
Autonomous agents don’t exist, and the only “new economic paradigm” being made is one where tech is completely unmoored from reality
These systems need a reliable medium of exchange that can handle high-frequency, automated transactions without human intervention.
See my previous point
Rules, triggers, and workflows can be embedded directly into payments, making them smarter and adaptable.
Went so well for Wolf Game, didn’t it?
NET Dollar will work across networks and ecosystems, enabling frictionless, global commerce.
And by “frictionless, global commerce”, I presume they mean “sanctions evasion and ransomware”
Every coin will be fully collateralized by a U.S. dollar, ensuring transparency, reliability, and price stability.
NET Dollar will be made available soon.
How about never.
Cloudflare is about to get really familiar with North Koreans.
OT: I had a realization awhile back that I’d basically cut American scifi out of my life. The politics are just gross to me now, and the overseas stuff is just plain more fun.
What comes out of the states seems to reduce to libertarian (closeted white nationalist) wank fodder, and I guess its been this way since…Campbell? Certainly Niven-Pournelle. It just got gross.
(Partially prompted by me listening to Iron Council again).
there’s plenty to read; an incomplete list of authors just off the top of my head: nnedi okorafor, ann leckie, martha wells, kate elliott, annalee newitz, sarah gailey, malka older, sarah jane anders…
These are great recs. You can definitely find good sci-fi out of America as long as you pick from authors that aren’t white, straight or cis. Marginalized people have a really good sense of the world (no doubt because they need it to survive)
Man I’m getting some great recommendations out of this.
On a semi-related note, I recently got around to reading Kim Stanley Robinson’s The Ministry for the Future (loved the Mars trilogy and thought I should get to his latest), and this chapter had me wanting to give up sci fi as well, so I will subject you all to it:
I am a secret so everyone can know me. First you must count every part of me, then translate those parts into signs that do not describe me. Together we are shackled, and with the sign that does not describe me you can open me up and read me as I am. People will give you their promises for me, and if wrongdoers try to take me away from you, you can find me and tell the world where I am hidden. I began as a silent speaking, a key to open every door; now that I have opened all the front doors, I am the key that locks the back doors by which wrongdoers try to escape the scene of the crime. I am the nothing that makes everything happen. You don’t know me, you don’t understand me; and yet still, if you want justice, I will help you to find it. I am blockchain. I am encryption. I am code. Now put me to use.
I am Jack’s bone-weary sigh.
Well that’s going immediately onto the “things that looked promising but what the fuck, so actually don’t read ever” list.
It’s one of the most unevenly written works I’ve ever read. The opening chapter is absolutely harrowing,and many of the subplots are pretty interesting. It’s not like KSR is a cryptobro, he offers plenty of critique of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies in the novel, he just adopts “blockchain” as a handwave-y fix for financial transparency. It’s also at least interesting to see attempts at optimistic climate fiction, but I think the novel could do with a couple hundred fewer pages.
His attempts at Steinbeck sprinkled throughout, of which that chapter is the worst, are universally terrible, though.
Dunno I just enjoyed the fuck out of “Landlocked in Foreign Skin”, like it’s been a long time since I pause my life to devour a book in one sitting like this, and given that Drew Huff writes from Seattle I’m thinking they’re a USian? And I was really engrossed by Arkady Martine’s A Memory Called Empire which resonated a lot with my experiences as a Third World immigrant, with a certain honesty in portrayal of what it feels like to admire “culture” at a distance from a colony that I seldomly see (I’m on book #2 currently). I’m more of a fantasy reader, but Octavia Butler and Le Guin’s sci-fi were absolutely formative to me, and if you ask me one modern sci-fi series I liked besides those mentioned so far, I’d probably say Wayfarers or Monk & Robot. Plenty of good SF authors from the USA whose politics are more or less the opposite of what you describe.
The trick is I read books by queer folk, women and PoC almost exclusively. Absolutely don’t regret it, all the fun stuff is there in the margins.
I’ll have to try some of this then!
Ngl, Iron Council made me ugly cry.
Also highly recommend Machineries of Empire by Yoon Ha Lee.
It’s got romance. It’s got swashbuckling. It’s got vendettas. A woman smashes a genocidal empire with mathemagic. Conversely, the empire’s greatest general is an effortlessly cool gay dude with dyscalculia from the Korean part of Space Texas who lives in people’s shadows, and it makes sense how that happened. The genocide happens because of a lone maniac’s insane tech debt. Different factions try to subvert each other via cleverly designed board games. There are soooo many unhealthy relationships.
5/5 stars
You had me at the dyscalculia part!
personal vent: at my job yesterday i had to come up with a few fake book titles/author combinations for a project. a fun little task and opportunity to hide some cheeky easter eggs. so, i came up with a few and then asked my coworkers to share in the fun. one of them though just couldn’t come up with anything at all, and eventually just resorted to “asking chat gpt”.
mind you, i work a creative job, and so do my coworkers. this is a minor thing i guess, but it just made me very sad. how could you just outsource your creative joy to some mindless word salad machine?
Man, knowing nothing else about your coworker, they sound like a completely joyless person. Coming up with fake titles for things is like, such a high fun-to-effort ratio. “Creativity and the essence of Human Experience” by Chat GPT. Boom, there’s one. “Cooking With Olive Oil” by Sam Altman. “IQ184” by Harukiezer Murakowsky. This is so fun and easy that it’s basically hack outside of situations where it is solicited.
Sorry to ask to dissect the frog, but what’s the story behind Altman and olive oil?
Kind of a fluff story (archive) where salty’s douchiness is on full display.
I referenced it because fake book titles are throwaway jokes, you can reference something hyperspecific and not have to worry about whether or not someone will get it, because they might not even notice it at all.
not joyless at all. i suspect they’re creatively worn out. if you make a job out of your hobby, etc etc. combine that with habitual chatbot use and there you go. it’s overall just grim honestly. i’ll change vocation though if i’m ever forced to partake in the slop at work, thankfully so far that hasn’t happened yet.
Ah, gotcha. fwiw I wasn’t saying that to say “joyless people are bad”; burnout also tends to look like joylessness.
Is NP P or is NP not P, thats the question, by Scott Scottersons-Scottsson
Quantum Computing Since Diogenes by Karl Snarx
God, we had so much fun doing this at my uni when creating an example DB table for an exam (only it was fake song/band combinations). Are you sure your coworker isn’t a robot themselves?
This story gives “Bezos buying random cassettes at the gas station” doesn’t it?
They say “Luddites” as if it’s a bad thing…
The Ai bubble has taught me that the luddites are really misunderstood.
The Luddites were a 19th century guerrilla movement that smashed textile machines, burned factories and threatened their owners. But they were not motivated by a fear of technology […] the luddites […] were engaged in the most science-fictional exercise imaginable – asking not what a technology does, but who it does it to and who it does it for. The Luddites, you see, were skilled weavers whose intense physical labor produced the textiles that clothed the nation. The difficulty of their trade – both in terms of esoteric knowledge and physical prowess – allowed them to command high wages and good working conditions.
All that was threatened by the advent of textile machines, which produced more fabric in less time, and required less skill. The owners of textile factories bought these machines with profits derived from the weavers’ labor, and then used those machines to grind down the weavers. Their hours got longer, their pay got shorter, and many of them were maimed or killed by the new machines.
Weaving engines are ingenious and delightful machines. The Luddites had no beef with the machines – their cause was the social relations that governed those machines. By painting Luddites as mere technophobes, we strip ourselves of the ability to learn from history. The lesson of the Industrial Revolution is that merely asking what a machine does and not who it does it for and to can lead to literal genocide.
The spectre of Marx nods in approval
“We believe that in the near future half the people on the planet will be AI, and we are the company that’s bringing those people to life”
This quote is just… something.
Is the plan to literally create 8 billion podcasts in the near future? This company doesn’t think that might be a tad excessive?
Tech take from the near future: Podcast life begins at conception i.e. the instant one thinks the inside thoughts should be outside
black mirror enhancement: because the algorithms involved may present multiple likely fits to any given input, each output is also considered a conception and given due protection (even if not used)
new extreme strain of catholicism: life begins at conceptualization
Uh I think we are very quickly and dangerously approaching Dawkinsian Meme Theory
RAIDEN!
Ed: I’m sure there’s an MGS2 quote I can’t think of that would make this actually funny, but here we are.
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A full timeline on the RubyGems takeover has been put together - looks like the entire situation’s been caused by pressure from Shopify.
Today’s related news: the tailwind css guy is a big fan of dhh and the rubygems takeover.
https://bsky.app/profile/jaredwhite.indieweb.social.ap.brid.gy/post/3lzofv4wi4yz2
I miss the days when being publicly fashy was considered poor pr, but on the other hand it does make it a lot easier to avoid their companies and products.
Tailwind is pointless, incidentally.
Who’s left to do actual work? Who would start a new project that depends on these institutions? Does ruby just die now?
Also:
When the Advanced Custom Fields plugin was stolen by WordPress, DHH said “This is totally crazy. Like if the operators of rubygems dot org just decided to expropriate the official Rails gems, hand over control to a new team, and lock the core team out of it. We’re in uncharted and dangerous territory for open source now. What a sad sight."
lol
I’m curious whether you or @BlueMonday1984@awful.systems are familiar with the concept of MINASWAN. The only time it’s appeared in the discussion is in one of the apologies posted by one of the Ruby Central board members, as their signoff line. Quoting a 2016 analysis of MINASWAN in which it is argued that Ruby’s central tenet is not MINASWAN, but wa (和):
Just for the record, MINASWAN is at least half true. Matz is nice. … I would not call DHH nice. … So if MINASWAN is really a basic truth about the Ruby culture, then how does DHH fit in at all? … MINASWAN is garbage. It’d be more accurate to say, “Ruby showcases the Japanese value of 和, but we are arrogant Americans, so we reduce this to a really basic American idea, harshly compressing it in the process to a state where it cannot possibly mean anything any more, instead of bothering to learn something about the outside world for once.” But MINASWAN was already a long acronym, so I guess they had to draw the line at RSTJVO和BWAAASWRTTARBAIHCIITPTASWICPMAAMIOBTLSATOWFO.
Also, I really think it’s worth understanding that Ruby is not at risk here. Ever since the release of RPG Maker XP in 2005, Ruby has been a staple of embedded scripting for game engines. Really, what we’re seeing here is the demise of Rails.
Does ruby just die now?
Part of the background to this issue is the development of
rvwhich apparently offers a future where rubygems is much less important, and some folk seem to be taking that as a threat.Whether or not the new tooling delivers, the rubygems debacle has probably helped the new project considerably.
It’d be lovely to see the correct folks build a better one with blackjack and webhooks.
Who’s left to do actual work? Who would start a new project that depends on these institutions? Does ruby just die now?
Honestly, it probably will. The RubyGems takeover shattered any trust people had in the Ruby ecosystem - that’s something which is damn-nigh impossible to recover from.
I have no idea about Ruby or the politics behind the scenes, but I do know who DHH is and so it seems like literally none of this would’ve happened if not for point 2. on the list?? Just like, don’t platform the rancid toxic cesspit of a man and you’re fine??
