Was recently banned from a whole bunch of DB0 communities for, as best as I can gather, downvoting once when I viewed by All (potentially accidentally while scrolling).
Important notes:
- I don’t use scripts.
- I don’t mass-downvote Communities. If I see a post I generally don’t like when browsing All, I may downvote one post, block the Community and move on.
- Some of the communities I was banned from don’t have any posts in them so I wouldn’t have been able to downvote anything.
- Of all of these Communities, in my history I downvoted one post in one of them. Voting in this manner is not vote manipulation. It’s quite literally a feature of the platform and as a mod of another Community, I would consider it pretty good etiquette.
- One of my bans reads “Appeal Granted, not a brigading member” but I’m still banned.
- I don’t troll.
WTF is going on here?
EDIT - Updated Info from the conversation below: In the initial image, you can see two “ban waves.”
The 10 bans three months ago stem from a single downvote in one Community. It was @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com See here: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/34853477
I was called out by name for a single downvote and culled from a score of Communities I did not participate in by them.
The other bans from two months ago are from four total downvotes over a 10-month timeframe in one Community.
I have also stated in this thread that I don’t have issues with AI-gen images, but there are shoddy ones and well-done ones.
EDIT 2: Now unbanned from the ten Communities listed as “3 months ago” in my initial image, but have been banned from three more because of this thread with the reason given being “self-proclaimed anti-AI brigader” which are two things I didn’t claim to be. God dammit Lemmy…
My first interaction with davel@lemmy.ml was him threatening to ban me over downvoting his comments.
One of the first things which made me look into what this power tripping bastard is and yeah, a Russian pretending to be an American who’s since been avoiding any communities they’re not a mod on.
Dude says things like “reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias” while pretending to be American while supporting Putin.
Lemmy is infested with Russians
Lol same. It was my first and last interaction and the most pathetically sad threat that’s ever been directed at me.
“Stop calling me out on my bullshit or I’ll… I’ll… ugh… I’ll… …”
The continuation is meant to be “or I’ll ban you,” but since you’re not on his server and he has 0 social capital outside that little environment to leverage against you, he is impotent.
https://snyder.substack.com/p/the-weak-strongman applies equally well to Trump, Putin, and the Lemmy.ml mods. I wonder why the similarity.
Tbf, they’re pretty easy to spot and they’re much less over here than the bad place. They’re on a schedule too, so you can kind of be ready for them.
Some are super easy to spot yeah, others less so. And seeing how they obviously wish to pretend they’re something they’re not, you can’t assume you can “always” identify them.
That’s kinda like saying “I can always tell a trans person”, just because you don’t notice a person being trans when they are passing.
Whenever I’m suspicious, I like to just ask people to confirm that Putler has an ICC warrant out for him for his war crimes. Their reaction to that is often very telling, but sometimes they’ll go with something like “well, Putin, like all world leaders are inherently blablablabla”, sort of faking out admitting to Putler’s bullshit while similarly not criticising him personally, but also pushing ideology that is not opposed to Russian goals (ie basic whataboutism)…
I post this because it makes me laugh every fucking time and watch the downvotes pour in: https://youtu.be/TlUsMuz9_RU?t=37
To be fair, at least the guy actually performing is possibly ‘one of the good ones’, along with a bunch of other members of the orchestra, insofar that 1) they’re not fighting, they’re singing, and to do that you got to apply to the musical company in the military and 2) they’re singing western music, and they probably listen to quite a lot more than they’re singing.
Idk they may have actually bought the propaganda, who knows, but like if you’re just wanting to do conscription as it’s kinda hard to avoid, going to the music companies would allow you to avoid actual fighting usually and western music historically was listened to by progressives in Russia.
But like yeah, it is funny. Especially those old guys in the back.
It’s amazing and never fails to lighten the mood.
This guy especially:
Man’s looking tired, bruv.
Those sacks under his eyes looking like a hog’s scrotum.
I have a backstory for him that I’ve made up. He went along with all this because his grandson is the lead singer. He’s proud but unhappy because he doesn’t understand why they like this song. He also has no idea of what anyone is saying in the song, but his grandson seems happy enough.
Nah. He’s bought into shitty Russian propaganda and has worked his whole life ignoring all his family matters.
I’m pretty sure those guys in the back are some sort of higher officers and have nothing to do with the show except being on stand. They’re not performers, they’re like, awardees.
So he’s basically been just licking ass as hard as he can and that’s why he hasn’t slept for 65 years.
Sting - Russians
So, is this legit, or a very well done pisstake?
There’s also a similar video of them covering “sixteen tons”, featuring a man with the deepest singing voice I’ve ever heard.
It’s real. If you look around, they preformed it for one of the morning shows.
I couldn’t find a video of the sixteen tons, that sounds great too. I need to expand my repertoire.
https://youtu.be/dI9KBLb_8ro
Different event at better quality https://youtu.be/Pdm4YF9A7QM
thank you, thank you, thank you. So. awesome.
Can this admin see these votes without diving through the database because he’s an insecure douchebag? Like Mastodon only shows some things even to admins without being gross and unethical by digging into the database directly.
any instance admin can see all upvotes/downvotes on any message from the web UI
That feels gross, like if I could see poll voters on Mastodon.
Makes it feel like Lemmy was written by some insecure folks.
It’s not lemmy, it’s just how the fediverse works to prevent double voting
Mastodon also being on ActivityPub, that’s really likely the same thing, except maybe not implemented in the UI, but that could be accessed by the API or in the DB
I’m well aware, I run an instance and know it’s in the DB. But on my instance I’d have to trawl the database for it instead of getting a nice UI look. That’s what I meant.
lemmy devs probably thought it was important enough to add then
It’s easier to
censormoderate lemmy.ml this wayMastodon shows you the votes just by clicking and seeing who liked the thing. No admin access necessary.
This is one among a few different reasons why hoping for votes to be private on Lemmy is a lost cause.
Is that a fork? Or just the newest update? The instance I run doesn’t have that.
What? Sure it does. Upvote a comment from Lemmy, then go to Mastodon and look at the same comment, and you’ll see a “like” from the Lemmy user that upvoted it. Right?
I think what seals it for me is that mods and admins can see how you vote, but the mod log just says “mod”.
Mod log shows admins which mod was involved in the decision.
I will agree that the whole dichotomy where some information is federated freely across the network, but then hidden from some users because they are not very special people in our very special club of special people, is ridiculous. The thing is though that it’s hopeless trying to keep “who voted on this” or “which moderator moderated this” secret in any genuine sense. And so, I think it should just be shown.
The whole “moderators act in secret” “votes are secret” thing is just an inheritance from Reddit, and emulating Reddit was always a terrible decision done by people who apparently dream of running a little fiefdom where the users have no power. There just shouldn’t be an informational gap between the virgin user and the chad admin. We can all just be people, sharing the network.
I agree completely.
You can see the details if you use the Tesseract front end for Lemmy when you check the mod log, if your instance supports it.
Ah, that’s good to know thank you.
Unfortunate follow up: the dev of Tesseract just announced today that he’s quitting and it’s not going to be supported any longer 😔 I imagine instances that already support it will continue doing so for a while, but unless there’s a fork it’ll probably eventually break.
No idea.
Pretty sure Davel is just a mod, so that’d be a “no”, but again, “no idea” is my more reliable answer.
I did downvote several of his comments, but not like “spam downvoted”, but from honest disagreement. Not my fault everything he writes is bullshit. So after I downvoted a few comments while replying to him, he replied "oh see, here on ‘whatevercommunity’ we ban people who downvote others for no reason’, as if I had no reason.
They’re just extremely silly and see through and you ought to question everyone on Lemmy about it. Because while opensource open platforms are great, they’re also super easy to infiltrate.