Color me surprised that the Democrats have as much blame for our current situation as the Republicans. Nobody, NOBODY, wanted to return to normal; they wanted real change and the best they got was state-sponsored financing for tech companies and unequal economic policies
Wow, so if true this implies that in the Democratic party even the women running for president has to do what the big man says. Hope this is false.
It’s definitely not false, it’s the playbook all of the political giants have been running for very many years now.
Hillary was going to continue Obamas policies, more or less. its purely sexism why both female candidates never won, sprinkled a little racism.
Or, only people with certain beliefs have the backing/money to get to the top of a US political party.
They didn’t win because their policies don’t reflect the worker base.
Or else what? Withdraw the nomination? (You can’t withdraw a nomination lol)
Harris chose this
Cut off funding, maybe. They would have guaranteed a loss with that maneuver thoug.
Even this seems far fetched. Why would they risk something like that in an election that had so much hanging on it.
I’m convinced that the DNC isn’t worried about winning any more races than they have to do that they survive as a political entity. Just going off the push the minority leaders have been making and the stream of emails and phone calls I get, as someone registered independent.
I see and hear nothing about actual policy change or progressivism from the names in the critical positions, and a lot about donations to “help us win next time, guys, for real this time!”
My senators (both women, both dems), haven’t actually responded to any of my calls, emails, or letters asking for their stances or plans for change. I have got several form responses that end with a call for donations, though. 🤷
Yes. As much as the Dems insist “This is a critical juncture, and we need to unite”, they mean “You need to unite behind whatever we say you need to do”.
See post-election: The only thing the Dems want to do is wear matching outfits, rather than vote “No”.
Exactly
Oh? Pulling a “Republican”? My wife made me do it? Wasn’t my fault? Attempting to distance herself so she can make a run for office again.
Yeah, seriously. She’s an adult. She could have just said “Thanks Joe, now go away.” What could he have done? Fired her?
If anyone wants some good rage material, watch the Pod Save America interview with Harris staffers
Omg, only 15 mins in and I can’t listen this anymore. When she said “finally turn the page”, maaaaan. Did she wrote all Kamala’s speeches or smth? And again, instead of talking what was wrong, they just say that during a race their point is was to remind how bad it 3as during Trumps first presidency. Not what people are complaining about RIGHT NOW, but rather about how bad the orange man is. He is, we know. But that is not a solid and the only base to run on. There are much more serious issues in US than orange man bad which went undressed. And I am not even form US.
They could win by running Healthcare revamp, education revamp and tax revamp. But all these things are going against their sponsors interests. Us now is a fail state. Let us hope 2028 will be an actual page turn with fresh minds in the race.
She was elected, not appointed. She could say and do what she wanted and theres not much Biden could have done about it.
Who elected her?
I did, when I voted for Joe Biden, as did the rest of us.
You voted for Joe Biden, not for Kamala Harris
In my state, there are two ballot lines. One for POTUS, and one for VP.
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She was not elected to the the presidential candidate for 2024, she was anointed by the party without an open primary.
If you can’t have a conversation without resorting to character attacks, that says a lot about your (lack of) character.
By the time Biden dropped out, it was one month to the DNC which would select a candidate. There was no time to run a primary, and they were actively attempting to prevent what happened at the last brokered convention which resulted in utter chaos:
We needed “utter chaos” at the convention, and didn’t get it. That convention needed to drown out the spectacle of the donvict, and draw in bored and disillusioned voters to participate.
It didn’t. They were trying to avoid a “Bernie Bros” scenario that couldn’t have occurred because we didn’t have months to fall in love with a particular candidate.
It sucked out what little life remained in the campaign, and gave us the most boring presidential race of my lifetime.
Yes there was still time to run a primary.
Besides, Biden should have dropped from the race many months prior, or better yet not run again at all as he promised during his 2020 campaign.
Harris and other DNC members shouldn’t have tried to gaslight us about Biden’s health during all that time; they really took us for a bunch of idiots, which most certainly didn’t help their case.
She is her own person and has to live with the consequences of her choices like everybody else. It’s all in the past now and just a footnote in history.
Honestly this behavior is going to keep getting highlighted from Biden because he was an absolute stubborn idiot. He had polling showing him losing to Trump with over 400 electoral votes for MONTHS before dropping out. He blamed his family for staying in as long as he did, obviously it was him or what was left of him.
more like the megadonors were starting to steer away from biden and harris.
History will not look kindly on Biden for fucking over his one job of stopping Trump. Didn’t arrest him, didn’t defeat him, didn’t stop most of the Jan 6 protestors, didn’t go after the enablers of his actions, didn’t really stop anything Trump did to avoid debt and jail and we ended up with him for Round 2, Even Worse This Time.
100% agreement. He should have arrested Agent Krasnov and his henchmen on the first day of his presidency, and detained them in isolation without bail or access to the media, until their trials were resolved. If he had done that, Krasnov and his Gang would be in prison right now, instead of the White House.
Instead Biden appointed a weakass Republican as his AG who gave him a 2 year head start to run out the clock.
The Dems had the perfect chance to defend our country from the MAGA scourge, but they totally abdicated their responsibility. It will be 100 times harder to take it back now, and I don’t see it happening without violence.
i felt while he did introduce some good policies, hes much more conservative than obama. dint replace dejoy, and added his supporters in the BOG? allowed to have trump have all the air-time for 4 years straight? im guessing they needed biden to draw the conservative leaning voters that wernt entirely maga? not to mention garland who is a gop SHILL TOO.
Look at democrats now. Still doing absolutely nothing. Even if they won they still wouldn’t have stopped Trump or Musk. They’d probably just stand aside if there was another Jan 6.
He blamed his family for staying in as long as he did
Real ted cruz moment, that.
Let’s blame Joe so Kamala can run again.
Not fooling me, DNC. I smell what you’re cooking.
Nah, I think we should run Biden one more time. Surely, it’ll be different this time! /s
I want to tell myself that there’s no way in hell they would let this happen, let alone make it happen.
Then I remember it’s the DNC.
I don’t think this is even close to possible. She has removed herself from public view for a reason. On a personal level, she’s done. If she had any intentions to run for any kind of office, she would have emerged by now as an opposition leader.
It’s not like they colluded to kneecap Bernie’s campaign. Wait…
Twice.
Kamala or Buttigeig, you can bet on it.
Seriously, go to Vegas. At least you’ll make money on the end of the world.
Buttigeig is likely going to run given that he is giving up his chance at a Senate seat.
I feel like Walz is going to run as well. He’s been showing up in national media a lot and seems to be becoming the face of the opposition.
Newsom seems like he’s going to run as well, but he’s been making terrible choices recently.
Buttigieg has made it clear that he is not running for office and is looking forward to playing support over the next four years.
Newsom seems like he’s going to run as well, but he’s been making terrible choices recently.
Yeah, he’s trying to become the preordained nominee by making choices party leadership likes.
Yup. If we don’t de-throne establishment leaders in 2026 I’m afraid that this is the way we are going to go. And as a CA I’ve mostly been alright with Newsom’s government, but he is absolutely not the guy for this moment in time in terms of the presidency.
Insert shameless plug for Saikat Chakrabarti, former AOC campaign manager and Chief of Staff who is running against Nancy Pelosi in the 2026 election. For those looking for a way to make a difference, supporting this guy’s bid and making him famous is a good, tangible way to do it.
We need more AOCs and fewer Pelosis.
This guy gets it. Speaking as a Californian, this is exactly, precisely what’s happening. I don’t use this term a lot because it resurfaces trauma of not realizing I was posting in a thread on Hexbear, but Newsom is straight up the textbook definition of a shitlib. He’s always kinda been a shitlib, with a ratio of one kinda okay decision to like four disappointing, mediocre, and shitty decisions that make the wealthy and corporate donors happy. Now that he sees a path to the presidency laid bare, he’s fully embracing his shitlib instincts. Please, for the love of Buddha, don’t vote for him in the primary.
Please, for the love of Buddha, don’t vote for him in the primary.
As though primary votes matter. The party successfully argued in court that they don’t.
You can always count on Ensign_Crab to twist the knife one last time. Gotta make sure they’re demoralized.
Yeah, Walz refuses to announce (like they always do) but you don’t make the amount of noise he is without gearing up for something. I don’t think there’s any way he doesn’t run, and currently he might even be my favorite of those that I’m confident will run. We’ve got a while before the next presidential election though, so anything could happen and I can’t really be bothered thinking about.
I’d bet they’ll try to run Blinken or Shapiro. Harris cant bring in campaign donations, and donations are all the DNC cares about.
I’m betting Mark Cuban. They (I believe, based on the sudden interest in him as a “Progressive billionaire” on various social media platforms, and in person talks) that the solution to a Reich Wing Oligarch is a different Reich Wing Oligarch, but Blue this time.
I feel like they have really poor name recognition. And while Shapiro looks great and presidential, Blinkin has a real “off” kind of look to him.
They’re also both in a murder and land left theft cult, and you can be sure that they will use any influence they get to further entangle the US in that, at astronomical cost to the US.
She’s free to run again, but this time she has to win the primary. And that’s unlikely. It’s rare in modern times for someone to lose a Presidential election and get another shot at it, Nixon and Trump are the only two in over a hundred years.
You seem to forget what they did to sanders. If they want a specific candidate they will make sure they win.
Also Adlai Stevenson in the 50s although he lost both times.
Same reaction here, and the DNC is just dumb enough to do it.
Well, there probably won’t be any more elections, so there’s that.
Yeah, I bet we won’t even have mid terms in 2 years
Sounds like an excuse. She could’ve had a different stance but didn’t. Because she’s the same thing. She was asked point blank how she’s any different than Biden and she couldn’t answer.
she’s setting up for 2028. assuming we have elections
After an L like this, I don’t think Harris makes it to the 2nd primary debate
The democrats have not held a fair (or one at all) primary in years, and this is assuming the us will even have elections again as the republicans would like to do the democrat method of primary but for elections.
Harris always sucked. She’s a former cop that hurt minorities.
Harris couldn’t answer basic policy questions when she was running for president in 2020 either.
Dude, that’s just not true. Did you even try to look into her policy positions?
sure did. Ever heard her speak?
Nonsense. In 2020, she was one of the few that was supporting universal health care, for one thing. Unfortunately, she somehow decided, or was pressured, to stick with Biden’s platform in 2024 instead of her own, more progressive, platform.
She was one of the least popular candidates in the 2020 primary.
She raised her hand to that question in the debates and then mere days later walked it back and said she’d misunderstood the question.
It’s ridiculous to think that Harris couldn’t have done what she wanted. Once you’re named the nominee, that’s it. They’re not going to back out.
If she was unwilling to break from him because of his wishes, even if she was theoretically able, that speaks volumes about her as a leader.
Yep. It says she lacks critical leadership qualities.
If she runs again, we lose again.
IF there is another election, HitlerPig will get 98% of the vote, and he’ll use his “popularity” with the American voters to justify defying the Constitutional prohibition against a 3rd term.
Elections are run at the state level, so they won’t be that interfered with.
Not that it will matter; rigging the states with Republican state governments is more than enough
There are plenty of treasonous Republicans at the state level, managing elections. They were very active over the last four years getting MAGATraitors into influential election positions. Rolling Stone had a landmark article last year identifying hundreds of MAGATraitors in important election positions around the country.
Besides, between Muskrat, Russia, and China, and probably more, they have the best hackers on the planet to manipulate the process.
Oh I’m with you on the big IF. Hell, I’ll be surprised if we even have legitimate mid-terms.
He will do anything to preserve his slim Congressional majorities. They give him credibility, even though he is legislating through Executive Orders anyway.
I expect that he will find an excuse to impose Martial Law and suspend elections until peace is restored.
OTOH, if he allows elections to happen, it’s because he is confident that their cheating strategies will win, and we’ll even see strong blue districts flip.
They will use polls reflecting current voter anger at weakling Democrats to justify the obviously fraudulent results.
I mean, that was the line from centrists anytime someone wanted any hope from harris that she might be less of a lapdog for netanyahu than biden was.
The problem was her campaign was largely run by Biden’s people. He clearly was interfering with her campaign and she kept trying to make the most of it.
Did she ever say that publicly? No. So she did not make the most of it.
I am wondering if the mods of news@lemmy.world and politics@lemmy.world regret censoring the people who rightfully said these things and it would cost us the election. Like there’s mods in here who go “yeah that sucks, I knew it.” but also just defended Biden/Harris and removed good faith users who posted citations that even their beloved Media Bias Bot said was a good source.
They did it, banned the people who said it, and then people went “where are all those critics now? i guess putin turned them off! hurr hurr haw haw!”
Genuinely wonder if they question their choices of just doing this for free with literally zero benefit to their website and the country as a whole.
I am wondering if the mods of news@lemmy.world and politics@lemmy.world regret censoring the people who rightfully said these things
Probably still thinking “This is just a Russian disinfo campaign to smeer the libs!”
Genuinely wonder if they question their choices of just doing this for free with literally zero benefit to their website and the country as a whole.
No, they dig their head in the sand and continue to play stupid. If they ever actually acknowledged reality they’d feel bad, so that’s not gonna happen
Just posting to remind/inform new users there’s been repeated drama with .world policies and mod/admin team in that past. It caused a lot of people to spread to smaller, more varied instances. Which is actually a good thing.
I just started and still don’t understand this lemmy. I thought one of the perks was being able to interact on any server despite which one holds your account.
You can, as long as the hosting server welcomes your interaction. They also have the freedom to NOT allow you (Or anyone else) submit content.
The way it works is communities are hosted on the instances and when moderators do things in communities that makes people mad those people can only go to that community’s instance administrators.
And then people get really angry at instance operators and admins with differing policies and rules about content and moderation.
So those conflicts can and do drive some culture wars. (Ex: Blahaj has little tolerance for gatekeepers, .ml has no patience for american liberal politics, .world is particular about zionism, and so on.)
But otherwise except for instances that defederate from each other the perk is absolutely that instances don’t really matter for registering and posting as a user.
At most just check the instance rules before posting and you’ll probably be just fine on Lemmy.
Yeah that’s true more or less. Some instances block others for ideological or technical reasons. Sometimes posts/comments take time to propagate across the network. But in general yeah you can see everything on all the other instances regardless where your home account is. You could even spin up your own instance and see everything, all the back-end traffic and raw data, if you wanted.
That’s really interesting. Are the people/entities who own individual servers (or even certain servers) known to the general public? I love the idea of social media not being centralized in the hands of billionaires, but I worry about trusting all of the same information to someone whose identity I don’t know at all. Flip a coin, they’re probably Russian or Chinese.
Basically I’m just asking about how/why we trust the owners of these servers. I still have a lot to learn about this technology.
Most of them are pretty visible and interact in their communities and I’m sure their contact info would be relatively easy to find.
But yeah I don’t think there are any rules demanding they be public and you definitely should not trust them by default. They’re people just like anyone else and can have their own agendas and ulterior motives.
To be honest, this is just a signal that she probably wouldn’t have been a good leader. Better than Trump, sure, but that bar is so low it’s a tripping hazard.
She should have told Biden to pound sand after locking up the nomination.
But we should verify the claim before passing judgement.
Honestly, her campaign already signaled that. This, if true, just reinforces it. It also reinforces that Biden was a bad leader, which he was.
Obligatory: I voted for Harris and Biden and dems down ticket every election since I’ve been old enough to vote.
Obligatory: I voted for Harris and Biden and dems down ticket every election since I’ve been old enough to vote.
Man I am getting sick of needing to say this ahead of time/to anyone who goes “well if you criticized our candidates of their serious and actual issues, you must be a Republican!”
It’s refreshingly less common here than reddit. I am so happy to find comrades in “i voted for dems but it was under duress” here.
That’s basically how it was for me. Harris was going to win my state no matter what, I did it just to ensure numbers.
Definitely. And as soon as you say something leftist you’re accused of not voting or “throwing away your vote” so you can’t complain. Like, I get it. “Have the day you voted for” etc, but libs are pointing fingers at the wrong people. I’ve said it like a million times before, but sooo many of my leftist friends reluctantly voted Kamala when they were vehemently opposed to her stance on Palestine and now feel like they sold out for nothing. Like, at least if they hadn’t voted they could say they stood for something. Now they don’t even have a high horse to ride into the apocalypse on. The way libs will break your spirit is wild. They have more energy to fight leftists than republicans.
I’m still content that I left my vote for president blank. No to all genociders regardless of party-- no exceptions. Maybe the DNC will learn not to ever try that nonsense in an election again if they know they can’t possibly win doing it. Or maybe this country will tear itself apart, but if the price of keeping it together is engaging in the mass murder of innocents, then this system of government will have to end and restart in some different form.
but if the price of keeping it together is engaging in the mass murder of innocents
That’s what it’s been running on the entire time if we stop now it’ll surely collapse!
Based.
Blaming Biden makes sense. Blame the problems on the actual person in charge. Harris wasn’t in charge, she should’ve let Biden take all of the failures of the term, regardless of her position at the time
No democrat president has been “in charge” in 50+ years.
The owners of the DNC have been in charge.
As far as I’m aware, Biden controlled most of the campaign money at least initially. either way it’s still a pretty weak excuse for Harris.
Biden really fucked us in so many ways though, I’m happy to blame him for losing the election as well. I mean he was the one who thought gaslighting us about the economy was a winning move, he put Harris in a terrible position to begin with. Not to mention deciding to run again in the first place, appointing a Trump collaborator as AF, refusing to exercise his power, etc etc
If I was kamala I would have slammed joe. For the good of the country, of course.
I think the best move would have been a substantial but firm and respectful break was the way to go forward.
If Kamala pushes back too hard against Joe, the establishment will question whether she grateful for his support and the opportunity he provided.
The way democrats talk: “We’re turning the page and letting the daylight in!”
The way democrats act with a majority: “We couldn’t get any daylight this time, but we did pass these bipartisan flashlights which are known to explode occasionally due to republicans demanding amendments be added to the batteries.”
“We’ve also means tested the flashlights, so those who recall the time before the great darkness get less of the flashlights, and anyone who has flashlights that explode will be required to have a daily check of their pupils to ensure they’ve been good at not looking at the daylight.”
