• EightBitBlood@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    Bernie: I have +45 on young male voters, and +12 over Trump if elected as the DNC nominee.

    DNC: Were going to learn nothing from this, ever.

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      3 days ago

      What exactly is it you suggest they do about Bernie’s primary loss? Stop holding democratic primaries and just pick their own candidate who scores well in general polls?

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        3 days ago

        What exactly is it you suggest they do about Bernie’s primary loss?

        Stop. Ratfucking. Progressives.

        Stop holding democratic primaries and just pick their own candidate who scores well in general polls?

        As opposed to not holding primaries and picking a surefire loser like they did last year?

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        3 days ago

        My dude.

        Kamala wasn’t chosen through a primary. Did you forget that?

        The Dems are already acting as rediculous as you think they shouldn’t be.

        And they have been for a long time. At least since Bernie.

        Everyone in the US memory holed the DNC trial where they went to court and defended their right to pick whoever the fuck they wanted for a candidate over holding primaries.

        https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/

        In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders.

        DNC attorneys argued that the DNC would be well within their rights to select their own candidate.

        “In evaluating Plaintiffs’ claims at this stage, the Court assumes their allegations are true—that the DNC and Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favor Clinton and sought to propel her ahead of her Democratic opponent,”

        So the DNC has learned nothing and already is as stupid as you think they shouldn’t be.

        Here’s what the DNC should do: Support who their voters think is popular, not their corporate financers.

        All this bullshit could have been avoided if they did that with Bernie the first time. They learned nothing then did it again with Biden/ Kamala a second time. Now they’re doing it again with Mamdani for a third.

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          3 days ago

          No, she wasn’t, Joseph Biden was. He won some states completely unopposed, because you’d be insane to challenge an incumbent. Would you prefer Joe Biden and his Ass Cancer had ridden it out until the end instead of handing it off to his VP?

          And yeah, Shultz liked his own party better than the third party participating on his ticket, and that might have had some negligible impact on the 3 Million more votes that Clinton received than Bernie.

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            3 days ago

            Would you prefer Joe Biden and his Ass Cancer had ridden it out until the end instead of handing it off to his VP?

            I would have preffered the DNC dropped Joe with enough time to run a primary that DNC voters could have picked a candidate from. Especially given that he had cancer and likely knew about it during the election.

            Instead, he dropped out way too late.

            Because the DNC thought someone with ass cancer would look strong in a debate against a drugged up Trump.

            Then they panicked when ass cancer grandpa failed the easiest debate in the history of presidential debates and then wasn’t polling as the “strong incumbent” you were made to believe he was.

            The DNC waited too long to realise Biden wouldn’t win against billions of disinformation spending, and all they had to do was hold another primary to elect a new candidate to win.

            Instead they waited too long - switched to Kamala too late - and then completely ran out of time.

            Just like they took too long to persecute Trump. Too long to expand the court. Too long to codify Roe vs Wade. Too long for Democracy to be protected in a meaningful way.

            And certainly too long to realize the young male supporters of Bernie have been going to Trump for decades now because the DNC labeled their very reasonable concerns as just dumb “Bernie Bros” BS instead of “the only voting base that can win American elections.”

            I wasn’t exaggerating in my original post, Bernie would have won against Trump by +10 on average according to every general poll conducted before the DNC primary, even by Fox News.

            Here are all those polls collected, I’ll bet it’s the first time you’ve ever seen them:

            https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2016/trump-vs-sanders

            Instead the DNC thought Hillary would still be good enough. And they still haven’t learned why that was a mistake when they thought Biden would be too.

            Bernie would have unquestionably won against Trump. Period full stop. You should be furious the DNC made you think Hillary was better when she statistically wasn’t, just like you should be mad at the DNC for making someone with cancer debate a criminal.

            You aren’t holding the DNC accountable for shitting the bed ever, so they keep doing it, now to the cost of our Democracy. They literally prefered a Trump president over actual progressive policies, so that’s what we have, and always will with the current DNC.

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              2 days ago

              The difference between me and you is that you’re blaming democrats for everything Republicans do. I supported Kamala, I would have supported Biden, and more people like me would have completely averted this disaster.