I disagree with Hasan on a lot but putting him in the same camp as fucking Vaush is just cruel.
Wasnt Hasan just platforming a nazi with a totenkompf tattoo who bragged about killing hundreds of people in the middle east?
I never said he never takes Ls.
Explain that to someone from a country Platner waged a crusade in
The main “issue” with Hasan is that his goal isn’t to be principled and correct, it’s to push liberals towards more principled and correct politics. This means he will always find himself in scenarios like his support for that politician, who is basically a socdem with a very iffy past. In the context of American politics, however, that particular politician is actually pretty radical.
In the context of American politics, however, that particular politician is actually pretty radical.
My entire extended family where killed by people with that tattoo assigned to them, are you for real?
If this is the best American politics has to offer. we’re essentially arguing which nazi would be best at running the concentration camps, we’ve already lost.
The policy he campaigns on is basic social democracy, which is radical in the US. I’m not sure how what I said can be misinterpreted like that, genuinely.
you should learn more about soc-dems sellout of communists during nazi germany - the fact that Hasan has no issue glazing a neo-nazi should tell you where the lines of him actually are, they are more than happy to work with PMC’s like Platner because they both support a form of capitalism that retains white supremancy in some way.
I’m pretty familiar with how shitty socdems are. I gues my areas of confusion are a) how Platner is a neo-nazi and not just a shitty blackwater guy and b) why Hasan should be dismissed because he’s more effective than any principled ML I’ve seen at converting liberals, because he concedes to them. I will never use him as a basis for my worldview, but I still respect him.
) how Platner is a neo-nazi and not just a shitty blackwater guy
America is a fascist country, Platner bragged about killing 100’s of Muslim civilians on reddit and did 4 tours in the middle east, one for Blackwater which obviously as we both know killed millions of people defending there own countries in the two attempted genocides in both gulf wars as well as oversaw the concentration and torture black-sites used in both wars as well - imagine knowing that there where active concentration camps in your own military and then with glee singing up for that same military 4 times.
Platner had a literal totenkompf tattoo on his chest, are we really going to pretend someone like that is reformable?
I would trust an average school janitor to run a country more than this guy, why are we defending him because our favorite pet streamer platformed him?
You should read ‘Ideology and State Apparatus’ and understand that twitch/streamers/online is just another extension of the upper classes ideological hegemony and is an arm of the state, which is why it permits social democracy within its own spheres as the upper class have an indepth understanding of politcal theory and how to effectively utilize it to lead the masses down false paths. The only reason why you care about social democracy, Hasan and are spending time arguing for them is because they allow them to be rich and influential on the platforms that they own - its why they say the revolution wont be televised, who do you think decides who is allowed on the television?
Or ‘Sexpestiny’ too, lol. The two most repulsive beings ever to be considered slightly left.
I’m not even from the states but this increased my blood pressure lol
“Maybe if we keep expressing confidence in them they will change!” 🤡
“They have to realize we only voted for them because we need them to do a complete 180 on their politics”
meh i don’t wanna see any of these faces, even criticism of them is too much profile
why does explaining that you don’t have a parasocial relationship with streamers net you some doots.
it’s kinda sad how hot of a take it is to so many people.
In no way, shape, or form is Hasan a “vote blue no matter who” guy. Criticise him for something real 😭
Which Democrat candidate in the past 5-10 elections has he advocated against voting for?
I mean, last i checked you need to advocate for them in order to be a “VBNMW”. I don’t think he advocated for harris for example. I believe his position is usually that he doesn’t judge you if you vote or don’t vote and at least for last presidential election he also didn’t tell us who he voted for so he is not even influencing anyone by his choice.
I feel like him talking positively about a thing that a democrat said gets often misinterpreted as him advocating for that democrat full on.
Hasan has endorsed Bernie (social fascist), AOC (social fascist), Platner (actual fascist) and Mamdani (social fascist) he might not be a VBNMW but stop pretending he’s a leftist and raise the fucking bar for once
It’s the Western left. You can’t raise the bar with the Western left without standing waist-deep in shit and bending down to pick it up.
Then there is no western left just radlibs
He has endorsed them before they went hardcore off the rails and mamdani is getting critical support because he is the first time leftist ideas are even talked about in mainstream media.
How about you stop pretending as if we are in the times of lenin and that socialism is acceptable to even utter. Currently we are nothing.
Leftist ideas need to become acceptable first before we can even start thinking in terms if “social fascist”. Someone like bernie was important so that we can now have a mamdani so that we can have some actual moderate-radical socialist in the future. The next one after that, we can start talking about marxist-leninist and revolution again once we built up an actual base that can be convinced to stand behind socialist ideals.
Educating the masses should be top priority and people like bernie and mamdani are perfect for exactly that: palatable to the liberal because they are ineffective and allowed to speak because they bend the knee to the fascists eventually. You can use them to spread ideas and point to them to say that “you think they are radical? They still bend the knee and still didn’t help you. We need to be more radical than even that!”
I think that is the true value behind a mamdani. A trojan horse into the mind of the liberal.
Leftist ideas need to become acceptable first before we can even start thinking in terms if “social fascist”. Someone like bernie was important so that we can now have a mamdani so that we can have some actual moderate-radical socialist in the future. The next one after that, we can start talking about marxist-leninist and revolution again once we built up an actual base that can be convinced to stand behind socialist ideals.
I don’t think this is true at all. In Brazil, you have figures like Jones Manoel with 600k and Ian Neves with 500k subscribers on YouTube. They constantly emphasize how they’re Marxist-Leninists and how a revolution is needed in Brazil. Constantly. Jones has written multiple books, is currently in the academia, and he’s also an activist and constantly going around to agitate and give lectures. He has also run for governor in his state before (didn’t win), and he has contacts with federal representatives in the congress, as well. He’s completely unapologetic about his convictions and doesn’t hide them at all. In fact, he even said that he noticed that it’s better when working with non-communist politicians to just stick to your convictions rather than compromising them and pandering to others. That apparently that gets a better response. This is a guy that is actually changing things in Brazil. His follower count has seen dramatic rises on various platforms, and he’s also injecting actual Marxist-Leninist arguments into the general political debate there.
Meanwhile, here you’re trying to convince everyone how Hasan “The Pipeline” Piker needs to do things slowly and “hide his power levels”. Oh, he can’t have any strong convictions, because that might scare off the liberals, but the guy in a country that had a right-wing military dictatorship not too long ago can. Bro, he’s not doing shit for the left. He hasn’t done anything other than being an entertainer. If you find his stuff cool, I’m not trying to discourage you from consuming it, but he hasn’t introduced socialist thought into the mainstream, and everyone just knows him for him as a personality rather than a force of the left/communism. You’ll learn a bunch from every single Ian and Jones video, what has one ever learned by watching Hasan? What theoretical contributions has he made?
You don’t need to introduce things slowly. How long has Bernie been around? If he was a “Trojan horse into the mind of the liberal”, you’d expect some changes in the American society by now, but the latter has moved even further right over the past decades. There’s no historical evidence to suggest that entertaining liberals by pandering to their positions is anything but something you can tap yourself on the back for and tell yourself “well, I did what I could”.
And look, I’m not hating on Hasan as such. I don’t think he’s going around claiming he’s a leftist revolutionary, right? He’s doing whatever makes him money, and that’s cool, but let’s stop pretending he’s playing some long game for the ultimately victory of communism.
I don’t think this is true at all. In Brazil
Pause. We ain’t talking about brazil. Leftist ideas over there might just be more acceptable to talk about and you won’t be immediately seen as something akin to a Nazi.
you have figures like Jones Manoel with 600k and Ian Neves with 500k subscribers on YouTube. They constantly emphasize how they’re Marxist-Leninists and how a revolution is needed in Brazil. Constantly. Jones has written multiple books, is currently in the academia, and he’s also an activist and constantly going around to agitate and give lectures. He has also run for governor in his state before (didn’t win), and he has contacts with federal representatives in the congress, as well. He’s completely unapologetic about his convictions and doesn’t hide them at all. In fact, he even said that he noticed that it’s better when working with non-communist politicians to just stick to your convictions rather than compromising them and pandering to others. That apparently that gets a better response. This is a guy that is actually changing things in Brazil. His follower count has seen dramatic rises on various platforms, and he’s also injecting actual Marxist-Leninist arguments into the general political debate there.
Considering that you get silenced, doxed, harassed or straight up attacked as a slightly more left liberal, i would say that a leftist won’t put up these numbers and if they did, then they might literally be killed.
Meanwhile, here you’re trying to convince everyone how Hasan “The Pipeline” Piker needs to do things slowly and “hide his power levels”.
Never said that. Hasan has a weird hater/fan base that seemingly only watches clips and reads about him from secondary or even tertiary comments and hallucinates an image about him that is not accurate at all and then y’all even extend it to people commenting about him and hallucinating things that were never said.
Oh, he can’t have any strong convictions,
He has strong convictions and constantly goes against liberals so idk what you are talking about
because that might scare off the liberals, but the guy in a country that had a right-wing military dictatorship not too long ago can.
I assume the military dictatorship was not supported by the proletariat and therefore a socialist coming up and promising change and betterment is probably more likely to be popular than the socialist in imperial america.
Bro, he’s not doing shit for the left.
More than us for sure. He is the literal first part of the pipeline and the reason why some of us are even here on this site.
but he hasn’t introduced socialist thought into the mainstream, and everyone just knows him for him as a personality rather than a force of the left/communism.
Considering that he is mainstream and constantly talks about socialist things, i have a hard time seeing how he didn’t introduce socialist thought to people? Like, yeah he ain’t rallying people behind him, but that is -like i said before- irrelevant because there is no one yet here that could rally behind him anyway.
He will be a somewhat major part on why the future socialist politicians have anyone to speak to and agitate.
You’ll learn a bunch from every single Ian and Jones video, what has one ever learned by watching Hasan? What theoretical contributions has he made?
Does he need to? He is talking to people that think china is cartoonishly evil. He is trying to move those people down the line so that they can watch your Ian and Jones videos without feeling the need to call them red fascists
You don’t need to introduce things slowly. How long has Bernie been around? If he was a “Trojan horse into the mind of the liberal”, you’d expect some changes in the American society by now, but the latter has moved even further right over the past decades.
Bernie is irrelevant now. We have mamdani now. I firmly believe that without a bernie, there wouldn’t be enough people warming up to more leftist ideas and accepting mamdani who is more left.
I am not saying that they are good and that they will lead us to win, that’s just you hallucinating again. I am saying that they are softening the people up with increasingly leftist ideas and that this will lead to us being able to talk about socialism proper eventually because the liberal mind will go “well, i am already at mamdani and he is not a red fascist, but also didn’thelp me, what is one more step to the left i guess”
There’s no historical evidence to suggest that entertaining liberals by pandering to their positions is anything but something you can tap yourself on the back for and tell yourself “well, I did what I could”.
Hallucinating. I don’t say pander to liberals, i say talk to them where they stand. Don’t call them social fascist when trying to agitate them towards socialism even if the term is correct.
Be normal.
And look, I’m not hating on Hasan as such. I don’t think he’s going around claiming he’s a leftist revolutionary, right? He’s doing whatever makes him money, and that’s cool, but let’s stop pretending he’s playing some long game for the ultimately victory of communism.
More hallucinations. Hasan doesn’t say he is playing some long game and neither does any of his fans. He educates and removes the reflex of the liberal to immediately shit themselves at the mention of socialism and moves people down the line that are ready to move down the line. Simple stuff, really.
Criticise hasan for what he does wrong and not for things that literally no one ever said.
Tfw Americans pull up the “oh we leftist are so censored in the US” as if we didn’t get erased from earth anywhere in latin america for anything remotely leftist as recently as 50 years ago, especially Brazil.
Im sure this strategy worked out well for Rosa Lux
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I should’ve been harsher let me rectify that, you motherfuckers calling yourselves “socialists”, “leftists” and “progressives” have sacrificed revolutionary theory and fervour for electoral politics all in the name of making “leftist” ideas more popular
Yeah “fervour” (i.e just being pretentious and not knowing when to stfu about something) has gotten you so far already.
Also, again stop hallucinating and mistaking me for the kinda people that think that anything can be achieved with electoral politics. I am specifically talking about highlighting mamdani as hasan does and criticising the bad parts and praising the good parts. Just so that the liberal still has a nice tasty social fascist to gobble up, but with at least a little socialist spice added to it.
and what have you got to show for it?
no vanguard party
The people still think that socialists are fascists
no movement
The people still think that socialists are fascists
no motion
The people still think that socialists are fascists
no funds and no support
The people still think that socialists are fascists
You will never get anywhere if you are too harsh. The decision is between being right (which you are) and winning. You are correct in everything you say, but you have no one to agree with you. Hasan is working on getting people down the pipeline so that they can eventually grow into people that agree with you.
and you’ve been doing this since 2018 shut the fuck up
Stop scaring the hoes away. Swallow your ego (the thing you call fervour) and actually talk to a normal human being (the one’s you -rightfully- identify as social fascists) without insulting them.
I already wasn’t really taking you seriously but saying chauvinistic shit like “stop scaring the hoes away” and then in the same breath trying to lecture us on how to communicate with people without being insulting was the cherry on top lol. good luck trying to trick libs into being socialists. It’s never worked historically but I’m sure it will this time.
Putting Hassan there is crazy 😭. He’s by no means an open Marxist but he doesn’t attack those to the left of him (like the other two do) and he has a generally more anti-imperialist worldview (ie portraying china semi-positively or defending Ansar Allahs anti imperialist struggle or condemning the US’s militarism in Latin America) while the other two fall in lockstep with the state department line. You can’t expect the masses to just accept principled Marxist analysis from the get go. There needs to be someone in-between who holds their hand and meets them where they are.
