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There’s a good real life lore video on nebula. They killed their traditional agricultural system with an extractive well water fueled one which depletes aquifers. Neighboring rivers from other countries got dammed. They rerouted their own rivers for dams and dried out lakes and flooded a salt deposit making the whole river salty. They also focus a lot on domestic agriculture at the expense of water depletion. All around poor mismanagement using outdated American plans to build their dam infrastructure without environmental assessments.
Let’s just not talk about how the US overthrew a democratically elected government and installed a puppet who was deeply unpopular and was later overthrown after a revolution which caused the current leader to be in power due to a power vacuum which then lead to deep sanctions from US and US allies so they’ve had to try and be self sufficient.
Someone needs to make a movie that kicks off with the Middle East having led the Industrial Revolution by capitalistic means of rapid production and innovation. Their need for natural resources growing, and them deciding to use military dominance to covertly get what they need in that regard. Them invading parts of an impoverished US, installing government leaders, … all of it. It would make for a hell of a movie. Kind of like the one where the Soviets won the space race.
There is a similar alternative history book, The Years of Rice and Salt, that explores the idea of what if the black death killed 99% of Europeans instead of 33%; Europe repopulated by Muslim pioneers, the indigenous peoples of the Americas forming a league to resist Chinese and Muslim invaders, and a 67-year-long world war being fought primarily between Muslim states and the Chinese and their allies.
Imagine going from democratic government to a monarch like western puppet with foreign backing out of no where. Id imaging you would be pretty unhappy and would try to overthrow and hope something better would come along. Of course you don’t know what’s gonna fill that power vacuum but you are suffering NOW and want change NOW. Seems pretty logical.
There is certainly a lot of bad the USA intelligence agencies have done in the past, but the current administration of Iran has been around in various forms for 45 years and it’s backed economically and militarily by Russia and China, blaming anything happening there today on the USA is insanity.
That would be like me blaming the Chinese for the state of Israel because of some shit happening on that soil during WWII.
You mentioned “outdated American plans”. I searched around a fair bit but wasn’t able to find any indications that Iranian dams were built using American dams as reference. Do you have a source for that?
I think perhaps this is a misunderstanding and they were simply stating that they did similarly to america, rather than implying any direct involvement.
Yes… The real life lore video on nebula (also YouTube) I referenced. Or if a nearly hour long video is too much of a commitment to prove me wrong, see here and here. Then 20-30 years later they implemented those plans (poorly).
There’s a good real life lore video on nebula. They killed their traditional agricultural system with an extractive well water fueled one which depletes aquifers. Neighboring rivers from other countries got dammed. They rerouted their own rivers for dams and dried out lakes and flooded a salt deposit making the whole river salty. They also focus a lot on domestic agriculture at the expense of water depletion. All around poor mismanagement using outdated American plans to build their dam infrastructure without environmental assessments.
Wait wait wait.
Sooo… a theocratic nation lead by irrational bigots, using decades old ultracapitalistic plans… aren’t getting shit done?
I mean…surely God would have told them what to do, right?
Right ?
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Let’s just not talk about how the US overthrew a democratically elected government and installed a puppet who was deeply unpopular and was later overthrown after a revolution which caused the current leader to be in power due to a power vacuum which then lead to deep sanctions from US and US allies so they’ve had to try and be self sufficient.
Well yes, Iran used to be nice.
Unfortunately they had/have oil.
https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/war-for-oil-conspiracy-theories-may-be-right
It was not “nice” for most people under the Shah.
Okay, you got me there. What about “Iran used to be nicer”? Would that be okay?
Someone needs to make a movie that kicks off with the Middle East having led the Industrial Revolution by capitalistic means of rapid production and innovation. Their need for natural resources growing, and them deciding to use military dominance to covertly get what they need in that regard. Them invading parts of an impoverished US, installing government leaders, … all of it. It would make for a hell of a movie. Kind of like the one where the Soviets won the space race.
There is a similar alternative history book, The Years of Rice and Salt, that explores the idea of what if the black death killed 99% of Europeans instead of 33%; Europe repopulated by Muslim pioneers, the indigenous peoples of the Americas forming a league to resist Chinese and Muslim invaders, and a 67-year-long world war being fought primarily between Muslim states and the Chinese and their allies.
Still, Iranians were overall more satisfied under The Shah’s regime than those that followed.
Imagine going from democratic government to a monarch like western puppet with foreign backing out of no where. Id imaging you would be pretty unhappy and would try to overthrow and hope something better would come along. Of course you don’t know what’s gonna fill that power vacuum but you are suffering NOW and want change NOW. Seems pretty logical.
We’re living that now in the USA. Oh how the turns are tabled.
There is also a lot of info about the CIA teaching the Iranian gov’t effective torture techniques. I totally understand the animosity.
There is certainly a lot of bad the USA intelligence agencies have done in the past, but the current administration of Iran has been around in various forms for 45 years and it’s backed economically and militarily by Russia and China, blaming anything happening there today on the USA is insanity.
That would be like me blaming the Chinese for the state of Israel because of some shit happening on that soil during WWII.
Not sure where US blame came into play
You mentioned “outdated American plans”. I searched around a fair bit but wasn’t able to find any indications that Iranian dams were built using American dams as reference. Do you have a source for that?
I think perhaps this is a misunderstanding and they were simply stating that they did similarly to america, rather than implying any direct involvement.
Apparently this isn’t the case - see their other comment. I haven’t read through the article yet but they are claiming a pretty direct connection.
Yes… The real life lore video on nebula (also YouTube) I referenced. Or if a nearly hour long video is too much of a commitment to prove me wrong, see here and here. Then 20-30 years later they implemented those plans (poorly).