• Valuable_General9049@alien.topB
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    1 year ago

    If you forget about Unai at Arsenal and the easy comparison to Arteta, maybe he has a point. But as usual I think he’s just saying shit for headlines. Carragher is an idiot.

    Is he better than De Zerbi? Pochetino? Ange? I don’t know.

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      1 year ago

      Compare trophy cabinets of them.

      Emery has won multiple European trophies hasn’t he?

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        1 year ago

        Postecoglou also has a pretty full cabinet. Not his fault that its harder for people from the other side of the world to break into European football, the fact he has done it at all is a massive achievement.

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          1 year ago

          Forget Ange, what has Poch won, what has he done in his career to make a case for him even being better than beheaddie Howe?

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        1 year ago

        Ange has won 21 titles as a manager.

        Ange has qualified for and managed at a world cup and won an Asian cup.

        He delivered national silverware for the first time to Australia, with a dross side while under immense nationwide media scrutiny.

        People diminish his Celtic accomplishments and fail to highlight the mess at Celtic when Ange first came in. Celtic lost/sold 18 first team players, lost the long term CEO, Hired a new one before he also randomly left 2 months later. Lost the whole recruitment and scouting team and just finished the previous COVID season 25 points behind Rangers. Ange also got hired after the start of pre-season, rocked up by himself with no backroom team and went on to win a double against a strong rangers team that got to the Europa league final. He played some of the best football seen in the last 30 years of Celtic Park. People don’t remember how shit Lennon was in 2020/21. Ange had to rebuild Celtic against a Rangers team that finished unbeaten and 25 points clear.

        Ange has managed relegation sides into title winners within basically a season more than once for fun. And in salary capped leagues.

        His Jleague Yoko Marinos dominated possession against Pep’s city when they played… it’s absurd.

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          1 year ago

          Ange is a very good manager with a horrible record in Europe. You can’t blame that on having managed Celtic. Celtic are famously good in Europe. A much, much worse Rangers teams went to the Europa League finals, but Ange was exposed at that level repeatedly.

          Ange is an excellent manager, but he’s not proved himself at the top level yet. He has a good track record but hasn’t done anything in Europe or England yet so no, we can’t adjudge him to be same level as Emery or anybody who has won anything in England or Europe.

          Time will tell, but currently it’s not unreasonable to exclude him from the discussion.

      • JGN67@alien.topB
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        1 year ago

        Won the league in multiple countries / continents? Won a domestic treble? Won an international trophy? 3 premier league manager of the month awards in a row.

        Emery has of course won the Europa league 4 times. But Ange has achieved plenty that Unai hasn’t.

        • I_always_rated_them@alien.topB
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          1 year ago

          Nothing that are of the equivalent that Emery has won. There’s loads of B level league managers with big trophy cabinets, great and they’ve done well for their level but they aren’t of the same value.

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        1 year ago

        He says ‘mate’ a lot. Doesn’t quite work coming from someone with a Spanish accent.

    • RainbowPenguin1000@alien.topB
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      1 year ago

      Emery’s record at Arsenal is a lot better than people make out.

      The two years before he was appointed they finished 5th then 6th. In Emerys only full season he came 5th and got to the Europa league final. It’s well documented he wanted Zaha but the club decided to blow £80m of his budget on Pepe.

      Arteta came in and finished 8th and scored less league goals than any Arsenal team in over 10yrs.

      Arteta got given time which on paper Emery probably deserved more.

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        It’s all about who was in charge (ownership) at the time. KSE weren’t full owners under Emery until 2018, the budget was never going to be there, once they took over and Josh stepped up in an executive role and changes were made. When they sacked Emery we were 8th after having drawn 3 and lost 2 to lesser clubs, we were clearly going backwards. The Pepe deal certainly hurt Emery because seemingly the only person who wanted Pepe was Raul Sanllehi. The FA Cup is what gave Arteta the time he needed to completely rebuild the squad, and I think the lockdown might have also helped in distracting people from football and giving a further grace period. Timing is everything as they say.

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      1 year ago

      How’s it for headlines? It’s literally spot on, De Zerbi and Ange have potential but they’ve won anything and Poch has never won anything besides the French league, while also being a massive bottlejob otherwise.

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      1 year ago

      Also everyone knew Villa were a good team being pulled down by Steven Gerrard but Carragher isn’t going to criticise his mate.