They’ve been very quick to discuss the methods and tools when people ask. They have multiple replies doing so in this thread.
This isn’t an image or video claiming to be real, it’s illustrated. We aren’t being led to believe that’s actually Lenin lol, what would a disclaimer even accomplish?
Sorry I didn’t find the few comments where he does say so. I didn’t see it in these 3 dozen comments on this post so I guess that’s on me, even though it doesn’t actually prove what i said wrong.
2.Common courtesy. A simple “this art was generated using x program” in the post would have prevented this exchange we’re having now. And isn’t he expending the same, if not more, “brain power” replying to these comments as he would have if he had simply put it in the description of the post?
If he had drawn the art himself then I would have the same problem with him not marking it as “oc” for clarity sake and then getting mad at someone who says “hey you should say it’s oc in the post.”
Should we ask people to differentiate between analog and digital art? Should we ask people to post a disclaimer that they used machine-produced paint instead of harvesting it themself or buying it from an artisan?
Are slop consumers entitled to a creation tutorial under every meme? Or can they just politely ask for information and have a conversation?
OC as a disclaimer exists to differentiate self promotion on consumerist platforms. It doesn’t matter here, we don’t care about the intellectual property of memes or links.
disregarding everything else already discussed in the thread, not having an AI tag would be a weird and impractical line to draw, it is something that’s being increasingly pushed forward for in most social media apps, i for one wouldn’t want to engage with anything tainted by AI, and with how heated this thread is, I don’t see how its not controversial, it would be a simple thing to implement and would help not alienate people.
I’m not asking for a creation tutorial under every meme. I’m literally just asking for the model/service as a basic thing you should put on there so people dont have to ask and the author doesnt have to answer, unless they want more in depth explanations, like you would with normal art. If you want me to treat ai art like any other art, then let me treat it with the same rules that I treat any other art with.
Also oc notices aren’t just for promotion. It’s a very basic question to ask “who made this.” So you can, yknow, see if they make/have made more and can enjoy more. In order to, yknow, see if they will make or have made more. So, just putting the author/oc answers that question without it being asked.
Youre just purposefully obfuscating and flanderizing the point quam absurdum, and I don’t feel like any more conversation on this topic is going to be productive.
I mean this argument stops working the second the post is made by [deleted] or made 3 1/2 years ago by someone who doesn’t want to reply to such an old post. Reddit archives posts after a while and you can’t comment on them either.
I believe in AI art, but it does need to be labelled as such to reduce confusion.
Art pages and subreddits also require you to state if it is digital/analog too and the community also wants that to be the case.
But this isn’t an art page nor is the post trying to be art, it’s agitprop. OP isn’t trying to showcase their talents. There’s no trickery or deception.
Requiring a disclaimer might make sense if that were the case, or if the post was difficult to distinguish from reality.
If they so decide they absolutely should, yes. That said, why does ai generate so much reactionary potential in those who usually are the most progressive of society? Its really beyond me that nobody seems to stop and look at theory for reconciliation of a longstanding issue.
If they so decide they absolutely should, yes. That said, why does ai generate so much reactionary potential in those who usually are the most progressive of society? Its really beyond me that nobody seems to stop and look at theory for reconciliation of a longstanding issue.
Because the material (set of relations rather than stresses) is always before the idea. DM is a superpower!
If you have a problem with the idea that you might have to have a conversation with the human that posted something in order to get arbitrary details, then I’m afraid you might be a slop consumer.
This is a false comparison. With digital art there is still human creativity. The only thing resembling human creativity going into AI art is the prompt
Did this image create itself, or did a human have a concept and bring that concept to fruition? “AI” can’t think. It doesn’t know who Lenin is or why this poem is meaningful. That was a human thought.
If by “creativity” you just mean mechanical skill, then sure. If OP decided it was personally meaningful to spend a few hundred hours honing the skill to draw in this style and then a few hours manually drawing this meme, then that’s cool. If you want to bake a loaf of bread from scratch, that’s cool. It’ll even taste better than store bought! But as cool as hobbies like that may be, they aren’t leftist praxis.
It’s a weird feeling to see a value form get transformed by technology, I understand. But griping about it is unmaterialist.
Edit: Okay maybe I just got angry. Do you want to know why? Its because the liberal establishment puts creativity on a pedestal. It says that those with lesser creativity are lesser humans.
Observe how radlibs claim that reactionaries are all uncreative. Or how westerners claim that easterners are all uncreative. What they actually want to do is dehumanize. Creativity, to them, is just another word for whiteness.
I think I have low creativity, but that’s not something that makes me less human.
They’ve been very quick to discuss the methods and tools when people ask. They have multiple replies doing so in this thread.
This isn’t an image or video claiming to be real, it’s illustrated. We aren’t being led to believe that’s actually Lenin lol, what would a disclaimer even accomplish?
2.Common courtesy. A simple “this art was generated using x program” in the post would have prevented this exchange we’re having now. And isn’t he expending the same, if not more, “brain power” replying to these comments as he would have if he had simply put it in the description of the post?
Should we ask people to differentiate between analog and digital art? Should we ask people to post a disclaimer that they used machine-produced paint instead of harvesting it themself or buying it from an artisan?
Are slop consumers entitled to a creation tutorial under every meme? Or can they just politely ask for information and have a conversation?
OC as a disclaimer exists to differentiate self promotion on consumerist platforms. It doesn’t matter here, we don’t care about the intellectual property of memes or links.
disregarding everything else already discussed in the thread, not having an AI tag would be a weird and impractical line to draw, it is something that’s being increasingly pushed forward for in most social media apps, i for one wouldn’t want to engage with anything tainted by AI, and with how heated this thread is, I don’t see how its not controversial, it would be a simple thing to implement and would help not alienate people.
I’m not asking for a creation tutorial under every meme. I’m literally just asking for the model/service as a basic thing you should put on there so people dont have to ask and the author doesnt have to answer, unless they want more in depth explanations, like you would with normal art. If you want me to treat ai art like any other art, then let me treat it with the same rules that I treat any other art with.
Also oc notices aren’t just for promotion. It’s a very basic question to ask “who made this.” So you can, yknow, see if they make/have made more and can enjoy more. In order to, yknow, see if they will make or have made more. So, just putting the author/oc answers that question without it being asked.
Youre just purposefully obfuscating and flanderizing the point quam absurdum, and I don’t feel like any more conversation on this topic is going to be productive.
Or you could just have a conversation with the human being who posted something if you have questions lol.
“This is cool! Did you make this?”
Friendly conversation ensues
Or would that interrupt scrolling?
I mean this argument stops working the second the post is made by [deleted] or made 3 1/2 years ago by someone who doesn’t want to reply to such an old post. Reddit archives posts after a while and you can’t comment on them either.
I believe in AI art, but it does need to be labelled as such to reduce confusion.
Art pages and subreddits also require you to state if it is digital/analog too and the community also wants that to be the case.
But this isn’t an art page nor is the post trying to be art, it’s agitprop. OP isn’t trying to showcase their talents. There’s no trickery or deception.
Requiring a disclaimer might make sense if that were the case, or if the post was difficult to distinguish from reality.
Ah. It just sounded like you are against it in general.
We agree i think
You think people on the grad should be slop consumers?
If they so decide they absolutely should, yes. That said, why does ai generate so much reactionary potential in those who usually are the most progressive of society? Its really beyond me that nobody seems to stop and look at theory for reconciliation of a longstanding issue.
Because the material (set of relations rather than stresses) is always before the idea. DM is a superpower!
And who decides that exactly? The poster? Or grad members?
I mean this is why we have voting on the server and allow discussion. It’s pretty clear from this thread what the majority view on grad is.
Seems like the opinion is pretty heavily split, that’s nowhere near a “majority opinion” despite what you might tell yourself.
There’s literally you and two other people restating the same reactionary points while the rest of the server is trying to educate you.
If you have a problem with the idea that you might have to have a conversation with the human that posted something in order to get arbitrary details, then I’m afraid you might be a slop consumer.
This is a false comparison. With digital art there is still human creativity. The only thing resembling human creativity going into AI art is the prompt
Did this image create itself, or did a human have a concept and bring that concept to fruition? “AI” can’t think. It doesn’t know who Lenin is or why this poem is meaningful. That was a human thought.
If by “creativity” you just mean mechanical skill, then sure. If OP decided it was personally meaningful to spend a few hundred hours honing the skill to draw in this style and then a few hours manually drawing this meme, then that’s cool. If you want to bake a loaf of bread from scratch, that’s cool. It’ll even taste better than store bought! But as cool as hobbies like that may be, they aren’t leftist praxis.
It’s a weird feeling to see a value form get transformed by technology, I understand. But griping about it is unmaterialist.
BullshitEdit: Okay maybe I just got angry. Do you want to know why? Its because the liberal establishment puts creativity on a pedestal. It says that those with lesser creativity are lesser humans.
Observe how radlibs claim that reactionaries are all uncreative. Or how westerners claim that easterners are all uncreative. What they actually want to do is dehumanize. Creativity, to them, is just another word for whiteness.
I think I have low creativity, but that’s not something that makes me less human.
I came here to escape the r/defendingaiart NOT r/antiai!!! Even tho i dont like antiai that much BUT I HATE AI
You will worship the capitalist slop bot and you will like it