Roman Abramovich is accused of paying people under the table. Man City have 115 charges.
Under Abramovich Chelsea have won - 5 League titles, 2 UCLs, 2 Europa Leagues, 5 FA Cups, 3 energy drink Cups, 2 supercups,
Under Sheikh Mansour Man City have won - 7 league titles, 1 UCL, 3 FA Cups 6 energy drink cups, 1 super cup.
Lets say hypothetically the EPL manage to prove it happened. And the points deduction is something that even Man City cannot recover from Eg. 90+ points deducted.
Would you be willing to accept a relegation to the championship for the above memories?
Eg. you saw your club win those things and have the memories of watching it?
Absolutely not. If my club did this I would feel sick and I am pretty sure I would stop supporting them. Fans who defend City and Chelsea are just glory hunters with no morals.
With FFP etc I think City and Chelsea would both be heading towards bankruptcy through never ending FFP failures, penalties, and more relegations and the cycle gets worse
Hoping and whining, just hoping and whining. No matter what happens we’ll have Stevie G’s slip, Aguero, KdB, Silva, Haaland, Vinny, Fernando, Dias, Jonny Stones, Gundogan, Walker, Zab. Memories and players that are indelible on my and your and every football fan’s memory. The best team to ever grace our country. We’re probably innocent, if not we’ll probably get away with it and if not, I don’t care. I love my club. CTID
I’ll take some success first. Then we can talk about how it was achieved.
Relegation isn’t the end of the world. There’s a whole lot of great football outside of the top flight.
The punishment is not decided arbitrarily, everyone knows the trophies are tainted. Therefore they are already stripped in every fans mind.
No City fan or Chelsea fan will ever again be able to hold those trophies in the light. The rebuttal will forever be yes but they won the by cheating the system. So just strip them so they can build new legacies.
I am in favor of removing FFP if this is the new norm but as the system is they cheated.
Chelsea for example putting in 3 transfer windows into one windows to prevent their squad from rotting while they are banned is now to obvious.
I digress but anyone reading will know it to be true in their heart of hearts.
Lol you think Im hearing that the club won are tainted just now? Fucking Utd and Arsenal scums were saying that since Mou first wiped the floor with them. They’re just mad their club couldnt keep winning like they used to. Chelsea’s trophies arent tainted or City’s for that matter. If Chelsea hadnt stepped up in the PL, this league would be Bundesliga with shit atmosphere.
But your missing the point.
They ignored the rules of engagement therefore they are forfeit. No one would argue that they backed the clubs and put in money.
But the process of adding money is agreed upon by charter.
Im sorry your actually a victim and it sucks.
What are you talking about? You do know that this FFP thing is recent right?
Ffp was implemented around 2006? 2 years after Chelsea bought the league if I remember correctly.
UEFA started using it at 2011-2012 and PL started 2 years later.
City fan here.
Whatever your answer, trust me, you’d trade it.
The last 12 years supporting City has just been an unbelievable experience. Memories that will never be erased or tainted.
I know that there will be plenty in the thread who desperately try to claim otherwise but any fan of any side would love to experience the highs we’ve experienced.
Relegate us to League 2 if you want, we’ll enjoy it nonetheless.
I personally would be discussed with my club and would stop supporting them. - more power to you tho!
Course you would. That’s what everyone says.
Are all of your revenue streams morally perfect etc.? I’m by no means defending City on certain issues but I’d been going for 10 years before the takeover and loved every minute of supporting them, so it stands to reason I was going to continue to love it after. Reality is, we get to see the best players in the world and some of the best football the league has ever seen. When you strip it down to basics, we’re incredibly lucky and enjoying the ride.
I actually would, but then I have morals. It’s the same with any game, the way I see it (and most other people). If you win something by cheating, then it is a hollow Victory that is rendered worthless because if you played fairly like others do you probably wouldn’t have won in the first place. How you can derive pleasure after the fact is something I will never understand.
Yes. Us real fans will celebrate the successes and stick by them through the lows.
We didn’t go plastic and just support whoever was the best at the time like the vast majority of you guys.
Naw, that’s not Boehly’s fault. Can’t punish a new owner, would be a big legal matter he purchased the team based on being in premier league. You absolutely cannot punish someone for someone else’s crimes
Would point deduction for future season be too harsh ?
Would transfer bans for next x number of years they were found cheating be too harsh?
Of course. City have actively done this in full knowledge that they’ve gained more than enough to compensate their eventual sanction.
Rob a bank, you’ll get 15 yrs. Rob 20 banks, you’ll get 25yrs. Go figure.
The people to ask would be Juventus fans. That club cheated its arse off, got caught, got stripped of a title, got relegated, came back and generally isn’t viewed with anything like the disgust it probably merits.
Went right back to cheating too
What a lot of people don’t realise is that in 2013-14 season Everton Finished outside the CL position with 72 points and a vastly superior GD to Chelsea who finished 3rd on 82 points. Since Chelsea are under investigation from 2012-2018.
If they were also found guilty then deducted the same 10 points and deduct 10 points also from City who would go from 86 to 76, Liverpool win the league. Arsenal come 2nd, City 3rd and Everton 4th and therefore qualify for CL. A whole can of worms is about to be opened. How much money did that failure to play Europa and CL football cost Everton ?
There is at least one other time during the period that city and Chelsea are investigation when Everton also missed out on Europa League football. In the same way teams are potentially threatening to sue Everton, you bet your bottom dollar they will be threatening a hurricane of legal writs if Conclusions to investigations into Chelsea and City affairs are not completed just as swiftly?
I wouldn’t worry if I was a Man City or Chelsea fan.
FFP was set up to protect those clubs, to ensure a closed shop of those who are allowed to compete and those who aren’t.
No way will they be getting the kind of treatment Everton have.
Firstly, Thank you for mentioning what most people don’t; the fact that there were only a handful of teams that could realistically win the league and UCL because of FFP. So the footing has never been even. People like to pretend things were perfect before Chelsea and later city came around with the money to compete, but it was not at all that way.
To answer your question; I would absolutely take the memories and things I’ve seen over the past decade or so(93:20 top of my mind) even if that means we get relegated to the championship. I also think it’s highly unlikely we would stay there for more than a season, particularly if even just a few of our players stayed. It would honestly be kind of amusing to watch us absolutely destroy the championship, but also kind of sad for the team the actual championship teams.
With that said, my ideal situation is that we are cleared of all charges and people just deal with the fact that someone new became dominant fairly. However even if we are cleared of all charges we all know that won’t happen. For the rest of time rival fans will claim we bought or strong armed our way out of the charges.
Idk why you and op push this agenda that ffp is complete shit, it allows teams to progress(Villa,Brighton and others did) but by being financially sound, not by getting a sugar daddy. If there would be no FFP the biggest teams could pay enormous fees and the smaller ones would go bust trying to compete. If i were a midtable team fan I’d rather my club stay in it’s lane than overspend and end up in league 2
There is no perfect answer for this because you are 100% right. It’s exploitative not to allow smaller teams the growth and financial power they would need to actually challenge for titles. It’s equally exploitative to allow crazy spending by only those who how the means. There needs to be a middle road and we haven’t found it yet
I think its hard for fans of other clubs to comment. They all have a holier than thou attitude right now. Personally, as a Chelsea fan everyone knew Roman was a sketchy dude so there was always that feeling but as someone else said, the cheating we did is not like a direct sort of cheating that everyone can understand. Most people don’t really understand the intricacies of FFP. It makes it slightly easier to live with than if we were accused of say paying refs or doping. If we get relegated so be it for me those memories will live on.
On a side note I would also find it hilarious if these American billionaires came in pumped like billions of money into our club only to lose like all of it after getting fucked off to like the championship or even out of the efl. Maybe thats just some copium though.
100%. Relegation is not permanent, trophies are. Plus being relegated is over stated. As a toon fan some of the best (pre takeover) memories of the last 20 years have been in the championship