Even still if there’s no other record of violent behavior I imagine barring them from firearm possession, 5 years in prison, and 5 years probation would do the trick.
All punitive justice is good for is giving more slaves to the prison complex. Rehabilitation is better for everyone. It’s not only cheaper but also creates better (ie safer) outcomes for society.
After 20 years what will they even have to live for anymore? This is why people re-offend.
We don’t have a system of rehabilitative justice and we’re not going to start having one any time soon, so the options available to us for dealing with these shitbags are either lock them up or let them keep doing what they’re doing, I think preferring option 1 is extremely reasonable
The ability for a human to change is one of the few things I believe about humanity.
Everyone deserves that chance, but he should still recieve a stiff punishment.
When you put people in jail for these incredibly long periods they will re-offend. Honestly if you had hate in your heart sit in jail for 20 to 50 years after you get out what do you have left to lose? He didn’t show up and start murdering people, but if the punishment is the same maybe he’ll just go ahead and do it when he gets out. Nothing to lose anymore.
With a shorter sentence he still has a life worth living and is less likely to re-offend.
You’d be surprised how good people can be if you give them the chance. I’m not saying he shouldn’t go to prison, he definitely deserves some time. I’m just saying let’s deal in facts and do what we know reduces re-offense rates. Let’s give humanity a chance. You’d be surprised how many racists can and do change. I remember watching a documentary about a guy that spent his free time talking with members of the KKK and slowly de-programming them. This guy was a POC too. If he can bridge that gap I’m sure the rest of us can too.
A life worth living? What, so he can come back and still be a racist shitbag? Except next time he will make sure to not get caught? Realistically he’s going to be released from prison even earlier for good boy behavior and then he’ll get right back where he was: a racist shitbag.
He didn’t go out and like, shout racial slurs to a bunch of people. Then I’d agree, 15 years is too much.
He fucking threatened to fucking kill and fucking brandished a fucking firearm at kids who were having a birthday party. Even if you remove the racial aspect to what happened, this shows a level of sociopathy, psychopathy that no amount of jail time will solve. Then you factor in the racial hate aspect. You don’t reform from that.
The only solution for people like that, is to remove them from society indefinitely or until they’re rendered harmless.
This is part of the reason Americas justice system has failed. You’ve been trained to believe all criminals are irredeemable. Trained to believe the only solution is to lock people away for decades.
When in reality nearly every person can reform when given the chance. Extremely long prison sentences are shown to actually provide significantly worse outcomes for society as a whole, but those facts don’t matter to you. You only care that the bad people are hurt.
This is why this country has the largest per capita prison population in the world. You’ve bought the lies fed to you designed with no other purpose than to provide a constant stream of slaves to the prison complex.
Maybe pick a view that believes the facts and doesn’t support the continuance of slavery?
Even still if there’s no other record of violent behavior I imagine barring them from firearm possession, 5 years in prison, and 5 years probation would do the trick.
All punitive justice is good for is giving more slaves to the prison complex. Rehabilitation is better for everyone. It’s not only cheaper but also creates better (ie safer) outcomes for society.
After 20 years what will they even have to live for anymore? This is why people re-offend.
We don’t have a system of rehabilitative justice and we’re not going to start having one any time soon, so the options available to us for dealing with these shitbags are either lock them up or let them keep doing what they’re doing, I think preferring option 1 is extremely reasonable
Well no, you could have given them a more reasonable sentence.
By putting them in prison for 20 years you’re basically garunteeing they commit more crime when they get out. Congrats you’ve made society less safe.
Cool story, but as I said our reality is unfortunately limited to two shitty options and your idea isn’t one of them
Unfortunately my original idea working within the system was ban on firearm ownership, 5 years prison, and 5 years probation.
Plenty punitive, but at least gives them a chance of reforming a life afterwards. Works completely fine without giving in to your false dichotomy
Honestly why are you even from .ml?
Also in case you’re confused when I said rehabilitative justice is better that was entirely separate from my suggested sentence
There’s no reforming from being a racist shitbag that threatens kids with guns. He can rot in prison for 50 years for all I care.
The ability for a human to change is one of the few things I believe about humanity.
Everyone deserves that chance, but he should still recieve a stiff punishment.
When you put people in jail for these incredibly long periods they will re-offend. Honestly if you had hate in your heart sit in jail for 20 to 50 years after you get out what do you have left to lose? He didn’t show up and start murdering people, but if the punishment is the same maybe he’ll just go ahead and do it when he gets out. Nothing to lose anymore.
With a shorter sentence he still has a life worth living and is less likely to re-offend.
You’d be surprised how good people can be if you give them the chance. I’m not saying he shouldn’t go to prison, he definitely deserves some time. I’m just saying let’s deal in facts and do what we know reduces re-offense rates. Let’s give humanity a chance. You’d be surprised how many racists can and do change. I remember watching a documentary about a guy that spent his free time talking with members of the KKK and slowly de-programming them. This guy was a POC too. If he can bridge that gap I’m sure the rest of us can too.
A life worth living? What, so he can come back and still be a racist shitbag? Except next time he will make sure to not get caught? Realistically he’s going to be released from prison even earlier for good boy behavior and then he’ll get right back where he was: a racist shitbag.
He didn’t go out and like, shout racial slurs to a bunch of people. Then I’d agree, 15 years is too much.
He fucking threatened to fucking kill and fucking brandished a fucking firearm at kids who were having a birthday party. Even if you remove the racial aspect to what happened, this shows a level of sociopathy, psychopathy that no amount of jail time will solve. Then you factor in the racial hate aspect. You don’t reform from that.
The only solution for people like that, is to remove them from society indefinitely or until they’re rendered harmless.
This is part of the reason Americas justice system has failed. You’ve been trained to believe all criminals are irredeemable. Trained to believe the only solution is to lock people away for decades.
When in reality nearly every person can reform when given the chance. Extremely long prison sentences are shown to actually provide significantly worse outcomes for society as a whole, but those facts don’t matter to you. You only care that the bad people are hurt.
This is why this country has the largest per capita prison population in the world. You’ve bought the lies fed to you designed with no other purpose than to provide a constant stream of slaves to the prison complex.
Maybe pick a view that believes the facts and doesn’t support the continuance of slavery?