In the same society, you can find fewer homeless people than people with residences. Can we use the same logic to infer that society promotes those people to have a home?
impressively wrong. minimum wage+food assistance+housing support is still not enough for a person to be off the street a lot of places. many of the chronically homeless need access to mental healthcare that hasn’t been available to the poor since the 80s. blaming homelessness on the homeless is impressively sadistic or ignorant, possibly both. if i’m being generous, i’m going to say pure ignorance. go talk to a homeless person. get to know them. listen to them talk about their struggles. if you can still believe homelessness is a personal failure after getting to know some of the unhoused people in your community… well… i’ll keep my thought to myself. i can’t keep it within server rules to be kind and empathetic towards you if you can’t be kind and empathetic to the homeless
I don’t care if I am right or wrong. There is no such thing as objective truth.
The same system that you are blaming for being unsupportive provides employment and livelihood for many rich and poor people. Poor people with skills and determination thrives. The rest is up to you. They can’t spoon feed you all the time. Just as much as you have the right, you have duties too.
You work, you earn. You earn, you eat and live. Simple as that.
What about all of those people who earn without working? Like, it’s literally what ALL financial independence literature says to do: don’t work for money, make your money work for you.
So a) you admit the point of capitalism is not to work for money but rather to stop working for money and b) every parent that works hard to make sure their kid gets more financial security at the start of their life reduces the amount of work their kids need to do and c) at the upper end of that spectrum, where parents buy their children rental properties or set them up with trust funds, is filled with all of the wealthiest children who, in fact, do not work for their money.
You know exactly how the system works because you have been studying it in order to make yourself financially independent but you fail to reconcile reality with your ideology.
The hardest workers under capitalism make the least - the parents raising kids while working two jobs. Manual labor jobs almost always pay less than bank jobs, and they require longer hours. Think about all the people you have ever met who are on disability leave - they worked in office jobs making $150k/year? No. They worked manual labor jobs for significantly less pay, longer hours, and their bodies are now wrecked because of it. Meanwhile the real estate agents who work part time in the richest parts of the country are pulling in a couple million, have almost zero risk to their bodies, and are in a position to get the absolute best deals on rental properties.
Money is totally unrelated to work except for a very tiny sliver of the spectrum. The biggest factor in your money is your position in the economy - which you first inherit from birth, and then navigate based on the means your family had to support you, and then navigate based on the network you were able to cultivate during the time your family supported you, and finally based on the network your were able to cultivate in your early career.
If you’re born into wealth, you already have the money, you don’t have to work. You are in position. You can work, but it’s not required, and the work you are likely to do will be far far easier than manual labor jobs and will pay far far more because of your positioning.
If you are born into poverty, not only will you be working to support your family by the time your 16, your family will be struggling to support you and you will lack the opportunities to build the network required to land high paying low effort jobs, which the rich child has in spades.
You don’t want to work hard anyway. If you did, you would be out there digging ditches with a mattock or laying concrete or doing manual demolition. Not for you. You’re going to work smarter, not harder. And when you have some money, you’ll use it to make sure it starts working for you so that you don’t have to work.
That’s the whole goddamned point of the system. Everyone is incentived to find a way to stop working. Doesn’t that seem like a contradiction to you? That the only way (in your words) to make money is to work for it and yet the whole point of having enough money is to not work? Really makes you think. Maybe the people with money aren’t actually working for it. Maybe the money they have is working for them and they’re doing whatever the hell they want because they love it and it’s rewarding and it doesn’t require them to work 14-hour days 6-days a week to put food on the table and raise their kids. Maybe in fact the people with the most money actually work the least.
What makes you think the accumulated wealth manages itself? It takes skills to acquire and to manage it. Well! they may not be putting nails into woods 9-5 every weekday, but they take higher risk in the business, so they get paid greater.
If I can’t pass it down to my kids, maybe I won’t be motivated to earn in the first place.
Accumulated wealth is managed by specialists in the field of wealth management. If you make your money by being born into it, your family already has a wealth manager. The wealth manager is paid a small percentage of a very large amount of money as a salary. This is literally what hedge funds and wealth management offices are for.
So no, the wealth does not manage itself but the wealthy do not manage their own money directly. Further, wealth management is not something that requires even 10 hours per week and certainly not 50 weeks a year. So again, those that work have very little money and those with money do very little work.
Also, you think it’s riskier to manage money than to do roofing? You have no idea what risk is. You personally would never risk your life by working a dangerous job but you can’t see your own ideology blinds you by making you believe real risk is losing numbers on a spreadsheet.
By the way, at the level of wealth management, risk is easily mitigated with what are called hedges (hedge funds, get it). A hedge is when you decide to put some of your money into one place that has some risk of loss and put some other of your money into another place that has a similar chance of growth based on similar factors. For example, if you invest in corn, and the price of corn goes down, you could lose some money. So, whenever you invest in corn, you also invest in something that benefits when the price of corn goes down, so for example you might invest in pigs, who eat corn. Price of corn goes down, lose money, but also, cost of feeding pigs goes down so margin goes up so gain money. There we go. Risk managed.
Come to terms with it. Your belief that money comes from hard work is entirely wrong and not backed up by the evidence. It’s a fairy tale. We have a few heroic rags to riches stories, we embellish them and tell them to each other and our kids, because when we’re poor that’s all we have to give to our kids, stories. The reality is that the rich don’t work and the working don’t get rich and it’s been that way for centuries.
Wild definition of middle class. If you live paycheck to paycheck on a 40 hour minimum wage job you can hardly call yourself middle class. In countries without good health insurance, you can be one infected teeth away from bankruptcy. And you cannot simply choose a better job. You’re working 40 hours, how could you go to job interviews during normal work hours?
surprised to see this downvoted so much. ofc its not ALL homeless ppl are homeless bc of this. but you never said all. this commentsection feels like some comunist echochamber no?
Many are homeless because of their choices or habits.
Fuck off bigot.
No, they are homeless because society has failed them.
In the same society, you can find fewer homeless people than people with residences. Can we use the same logic to infer that society promotes those people to have a home?
Not really, because we’re talking about what serves people best.
Most people have homes under virtually any political and economic system. So, when we do compare, we know capitalism fails us way more often.
You can find homeless people in communist states. So, is it really capitalism that drives people homeless?
Name one communist state, as in a state that has communism as an economic system
Socialism is generally associated with greater housing availability and lower levels of extreme poverty.
impressively wrong. minimum wage+food assistance+housing support is still not enough for a person to be off the street a lot of places. many of the chronically homeless need access to mental healthcare that hasn’t been available to the poor since the 80s. blaming homelessness on the homeless is impressively sadistic or ignorant, possibly both. if i’m being generous, i’m going to say pure ignorance. go talk to a homeless person. get to know them. listen to them talk about their struggles. if you can still believe homelessness is a personal failure after getting to know some of the unhoused people in your community… well… i’ll keep my thought to myself. i can’t keep it within server rules to be kind and empathetic towards you if you can’t be kind and empathetic to the homeless
I don’t care if I am right or wrong. There is no such thing as objective truth.
The same system that you are blaming for being unsupportive provides employment and livelihood for many rich and poor people. Poor people with skills and determination thrives. The rest is up to you. They can’t spoon feed you all the time. Just as much as you have the right, you have duties too.
You work, you earn. You earn, you eat and live. Simple as that.
What about all of those people who earn without working? Like, it’s literally what ALL financial independence literature says to do: don’t work for money, make your money work for you.
You have to work for money before you have enough money to work for you.
So a) you admit the point of capitalism is not to work for money but rather to stop working for money and b) every parent that works hard to make sure their kid gets more financial security at the start of their life reduces the amount of work their kids need to do and c) at the upper end of that spectrum, where parents buy their children rental properties or set them up with trust funds, is filled with all of the wealthiest children who, in fact, do not work for their money.
You know exactly how the system works because you have been studying it in order to make yourself financially independent but you fail to reconcile reality with your ideology.
The hardest workers under capitalism make the least - the parents raising kids while working two jobs. Manual labor jobs almost always pay less than bank jobs, and they require longer hours. Think about all the people you have ever met who are on disability leave - they worked in office jobs making $150k/year? No. They worked manual labor jobs for significantly less pay, longer hours, and their bodies are now wrecked because of it. Meanwhile the real estate agents who work part time in the richest parts of the country are pulling in a couple million, have almost zero risk to their bodies, and are in a position to get the absolute best deals on rental properties.
Money is totally unrelated to work except for a very tiny sliver of the spectrum. The biggest factor in your money is your position in the economy - which you first inherit from birth, and then navigate based on the means your family had to support you, and then navigate based on the network you were able to cultivate during the time your family supported you, and finally based on the network your were able to cultivate in your early career.
If you’re born into wealth, you already have the money, you don’t have to work. You are in position. You can work, but it’s not required, and the work you are likely to do will be far far easier than manual labor jobs and will pay far far more because of your positioning.
If you are born into poverty, not only will you be working to support your family by the time your 16, your family will be struggling to support you and you will lack the opportunities to build the network required to land high paying low effort jobs, which the rich child has in spades.
You don’t want to work hard anyway. If you did, you would be out there digging ditches with a mattock or laying concrete or doing manual demolition. Not for you. You’re going to work smarter, not harder. And when you have some money, you’ll use it to make sure it starts working for you so that you don’t have to work.
That’s the whole goddamned point of the system. Everyone is incentived to find a way to stop working. Doesn’t that seem like a contradiction to you? That the only way (in your words) to make money is to work for it and yet the whole point of having enough money is to not work? Really makes you think. Maybe the people with money aren’t actually working for it. Maybe the money they have is working for them and they’re doing whatever the hell they want because they love it and it’s rewarding and it doesn’t require them to work 14-hour days 6-days a week to put food on the table and raise their kids. Maybe in fact the people with the most money actually work the least.
What makes you think the accumulated wealth manages itself? It takes skills to acquire and to manage it. Well! they may not be putting nails into woods 9-5 every weekday, but they take higher risk in the business, so they get paid greater.
If I can’t pass it down to my kids, maybe I won’t be motivated to earn in the first place.
Accumulated wealth is managed by specialists in the field of wealth management. If you make your money by being born into it, your family already has a wealth manager. The wealth manager is paid a small percentage of a very large amount of money as a salary. This is literally what hedge funds and wealth management offices are for.
So no, the wealth does not manage itself but the wealthy do not manage their own money directly. Further, wealth management is not something that requires even 10 hours per week and certainly not 50 weeks a year. So again, those that work have very little money and those with money do very little work.
Also, you think it’s riskier to manage money than to do roofing? You have no idea what risk is. You personally would never risk your life by working a dangerous job but you can’t see your own ideology blinds you by making you believe real risk is losing numbers on a spreadsheet.
By the way, at the level of wealth management, risk is easily mitigated with what are called hedges (hedge funds, get it). A hedge is when you decide to put some of your money into one place that has some risk of loss and put some other of your money into another place that has a similar chance of growth based on similar factors. For example, if you invest in corn, and the price of corn goes down, you could lose some money. So, whenever you invest in corn, you also invest in something that benefits when the price of corn goes down, so for example you might invest in pigs, who eat corn. Price of corn goes down, lose money, but also, cost of feeding pigs goes down so margin goes up so gain money. There we go. Risk managed.
Come to terms with it. Your belief that money comes from hard work is entirely wrong and not backed up by the evidence. It’s a fairy tale. We have a few heroic rags to riches stories, we embellish them and tell them to each other and our kids, because when we’re poor that’s all we have to give to our kids, stories. The reality is that the rich don’t work and the working don’t get rich and it’s been that way for centuries.
Some people have schizophrenia, shithead
LOL, I have the same opinion for you.
Shut the fuck up
Dude, hard working people are at least middle class!
Wild definition of middle class. If you live paycheck to paycheck on a 40 hour minimum wage job you can hardly call yourself middle class. In countries without good health insurance, you can be one infected teeth away from bankruptcy. And you cannot simply choose a better job. You’re working 40 hours, how could you go to job interviews during normal work hours?
The majority of actual homeless people have jobs.
https://endhomelessness.org/blog/employed-and-experiencing-homelessness-what-the-numbers-show/
https://www.usich.gov/guidance-reports-data/data-trends
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surprised to see this downvoted so much. ofc its not ALL homeless ppl are homeless bc of this. but you never said all. this commentsection feels like some comunist echochamber no?
It always is. Most of us (including you and me) here are anti-establishments. But some are extremist. They will blame the system for everything.
yea i mean, sure the system is faulty but not EVERYTHING is its fault
That is true but their choices or habits are influenced by the rotten society around them.