Why do I see endless waves of everton fans say they haven’t broke any rules, and everything will be turned over through appeal?
Has any one seen the latest athletic article?
Everton football club are really in trouble here, and I believe all 3 teams looking for a court case will win. That is another possible 9 point deduction.
Also, all this talk of a hostile goodison on the weekend, for what gain?
Second question would be, why does everyone now relate this to Man City? Since when have Man City ever been comparable to any other team in the prem?
Fairness is something we can all agree on, but it’s not the way it works.
Does anyone else think Everton are safe, even with another 9 point deduction, because I do. But I digress, why do Everton fans feel they have done nothing wrong?
I mean I can’t speak for all Everton fans but I will say this:
We have clearly broken the rules, that’s undeniable.
There were mitigating circumstances but the independent commission chose not to factor these in - some of the mitigations we put forward were laughable but some I think had genuine merit.
Regarding the 10 point deduction…it does seem harsh when you consider that the punishment for going into administration is 9 and it seems the punishment for breaking the rules to prevent administration is more severe.
Will we be sued? Time will tell - but if we are then it could set a very dangerous precedent and I honestly can’t see it happening. We’ve broken EPL and have been punished accordingly.
And for those crying about City and corruption, etc etc. Let’s see what happens with them before we make judgements. If City are found guilty and receive a harsh punishment (whatever that might be) then fair game. If the EPL are severe across the board and all rule breakers are treated severely then that’s actually OK. Everyone knows where they stand.
my Evertonian neighbour told me that it had a lot to do with a sanction placed on a Russian who had pledged money to the club. the club went out and spent it before actually receiving it, the funds got pulled leaving Everton in a hole.
if that’s true, it sounds more like misfortune than anything else.
It does seem like there needs to be a clear set of punishments. How did they come up with 10 points?
The Prem suggested that 6 points would be appropriate for breaching the rules, with an extra 1 point deduction for every £5m outside of Profit and Sustainability guidelines (Everton breached by nearly £20m).
The independent committee apparently discarded this reasoning, but then came up with 10 points themselves anyway. Source: David Ornstein on the Athletic pod
Well in your case one of the conclusions the independent commission reached was that they felt that you had knowingly misled the Premier League about the nature and source of the funding for your new stadium (along with some other aggravating factors) whereas with Portsmouth yes they entered administration but they didn’t try and get away with cheating the rules. So it makes sense that your punishment is more harsh than theirs was
Two things, it’s clear City can’t be cleared without endless whining about corruption, even if they didn’t actually do anything wrong - which just goes to show, IMO, the objections from fans are about giving their team a better chance, not about “fairness”. If they cared about the rules and the fairness of them they would wait and then respect the decision. Not gonna happen.
Secondly, the rules are dogshit and in place to protect the elite clubs, not football, so I’m fully behind Everton appealing this. A 10pt deduction is utterly ridiculous. Everton are the fall guys propping up the hope of fans of other clubs that City will be taken down.
Other clubs suing them? Be careful what you wish for, you opportunistic soulless clown shows.
If Everton can afford good lawyers this won’t stand IMO.
Your last point is possibly the most important. Its known Everton can not afford good lawyers (owner has financial issues so is trying to sell) , so they are easy pickings for the PL and other clubs.
Maybe, but while good lawyers are expensive, probably not in terms of a premier league club’s budget.
As City’s chairman said to UEFA, he’d ‘rather spend 30m hiring the 50 best lawyers in the world to sue them for ten years rather than pay their fine’. Sure Everton could find 5-10m to throw at Lord Pannick and his team, he’s already up to speed because of the City case 😂
Wasn’t one of the seasons finances HEAVILY impacted by covid (empty stadiums)?
This all seems like a smokescreen considering the ridiculous shit thats been going on at chelsea (since 2003) and city (since 2009?). Crazy agents fees, hidden kickbacks, crazy wages, crazy transfer fees, dodgy sponsorships, dodgy money origins, dodgy and at times refusing financial documents
For most of the abromavic era there was no ffp though, so so need to do the fake income inflating City are clearly doing
Sheffield United settled out of court with West Ham for lost monies in a relegation related matter. So the precedent has already been set for that. I’m certain Everton will pay out to those relegated clubs, either forcibly by court or settled outside.
The issue there is that it was a clear case of breaking the rules to get an on field advantage. The commission has admitted that that isn’t the case here.
If you didn’t break the rules you wouldn’t have been punished. There’s punishment therefore guilt therefore easy for a court of law to rule in favour of the suing teams.
An excellent, well thought out and well-put response. Thankyou.
The good news is the team is playing well if you had gone into administration you would have gone down as it stands I will be surprised if you get relegated.