My girlfriend before high school, had a friendship with 3 girls. Girl 1 claimed to be bi and later a lesbian but was straight and hung out with homophobic spoiled girls. Girl 2 claimed to be bi too and later an ally but then said she was actually homophobic and Christian. Girl 3 is extremely Christian, all 3 girls are Christian. She is anti-transition, defends Trump, and also wants to mass murder anti-Christians and abolish their religions or lack thereof.
None of these people seem like allies, they seem like virtue signalers.
On the most basic level it is a criticism of feelings over facts. The reason the right seems so guilty is they operate in a fact free zone that is comprised entirely of their feelings.
People struggle with who they are. This is a fact of life. It sounds like the girls you talk about are all struggling with their feelings and the feelings of their culture, friends, and probably family.
Your friends are struggling and for this reason they may not make the best Allies. You dismissing them as virtue signaling doesn’t help the situation or your understanding what they are going through.
The truth here is you are the Ally that has to support them if you choose to. It is a tough and thankless job. I have spent years supporting people to have them come out and then go back. That is just life and commitment to family and society can be too much for some people.
Thank you, that makes sense
Conservativism is, and always has been, externally-validated egocentrism. There aren’t any fundamental conservative values. A conservative isn’t good because they want good things, or do good things, or say good things. A conservative is good because they are a member of the conservative in-group. Therefore, anything a conservative does, or says, or wants is a good thing because it is a conservative who does, says, or wants it. Anyone who opposes the conservative in-group is, by definition, bad. Therefore anything they do, want, or say is bad. If a conservative says the same thing as a progressive, then it is good when the conservative says it and bad when the progressive says it.
This is the appeal of conservativism.
how does any of that arguement not apply to leftism or any political belief?
that’s just how human beings work. we like people who are like us and validate our views. we hate people who aren’t like us and challenge of views.
the point of any political belief system is to establish the boundaries of belief that mark the in group from the out group.
You only think that because conservatives believe everyone is like them, in order to make themselves feel better about being narcissistic. Because that isn’t at all how it works for anyone who isn’t conservative. Progressives and moderates have principles, things they believe even if it doesn’t benefit them directly. There are fundamental values built on empathy, like liberty, equality, and justice. For the progressive position, these are not negotiable. Progressives will consider their values to determine where they stand on any particular issue. Conservatives will pick and choose which values to lean on as an argument in order to defend the position they have already chosen.
Conservativism is not a political belief system. There are no universal conservative values. You are deluded if you think that’s how everyone else thinks.
So in your mind liberal = good, and conservative = bad.
and you can’t see how that is hypocritical to the very ‘values’ you are espousing? You yourself have divided up the world into the good people and the bad people, based purely on ideological alignment.
Only you only the ‘real values’.
Big “tolerant of the abuser” energy here
so we should tolerate the left when they are the abuser?
if a leftist threatens me and attacks me, i’m suppose to just sit there and enjoy it because i am being ‘saved’ by their holy virtues? pretty sure anyone attacking me regardless of their belief is a shithead.
Do you know what a strawman argument is?
yes, i also know when someone isn’t arguing with me and just flinging shit because they are throwing a tantrum rather than engaging in thoughtful discourse.
Everything you ever hear a right-winger accuse the left of, you can bet on the fact that the right’s doing it themselves.
Every accusation is a confession.
The “p” in GOP stands for “projection”
E: also pedophelia
girlfriend before high school
Early teens might be the main factor for kids wanting to draw attention by saying crap.
The right owns the gaslights.
projection
Maybe girl 1 was playing the long game
they both do it. virtue signalling is a thing that people do regardless of political affiliation or belief.
the right just has different version of what virtues they signal vs the left.
This is nonsense. Virtue signaling was a term invented by a guy who writes for the Daily Mail. It was originally meant to provoke people who call out the garbage individuals, corporations, and governments participate it without supposedly doing anything about it specifically on Twitter.
The concept goes back decades in academia and can be seen in popular discourse in the past with phrases like bleeding heart liberal meant to discredit speakers because they have unrealistic or unattainable beliefs and are not capable of affecting any change.
Basically a way the establishment rubs the noses of critics in their own supposed shit. This is of course not how everyone else sees it. It is in fact just a shitty propaganda technique that only works on people who can’t see the bigger picture.
The phrase itself is disingenuous and should not be internalized by people as it was never more than a made up criticism of those who advocate change. The first part of any change is talking about the issue. That is where a concept like virtue signaling is used to be critical and try to shut down that speech.
The purpose of the phrase is to shut down discourse. It is poor rhetorical device and it is what I personally view as something trolls use meant to inflame and divide rather than discuss the problem.
virtue signalling has been around since forever. Pascal talked about it in the 16th century dude. the bible talks about it.
the phrase is not disingenuous. it’s about those for whom virtual is merely a signal, not an act. for those who preach, but don’t practice. for those whom virtue would have no meaning other than social recognition. it’s about ‘scoring good person points’. it’s the moral/political equivalent of buying a rigged-out Jeep and going on about how into off-roading you are when you use it as a commuter car. You are desperately trying to signal to others something that isn’t true about yourself.
it probably irks you because you’re guilty of it. you love to go around preaching to others how they should behave, but you don’t hold yourself to those standards. it’s not to shut down discourse, it’s to point out hypocrisy.
i am well versed it in. I live in Cambridge MA, where everyone has ‘black lives matter’ signs on their 3 million homes, who then systematical vote against any/all inclusion policies in education or housing or development in the community… all policies which systematically exclude anyone who isn’t a multi-millionaire from being part of the community and insuring that the city becomes ever more white/asian to the exclusion of all other races.
or a more quotidian version, people who incessantly post on the internet/social media about their ‘causes’ but themselves don’t actually donate or contribute or really care. they are just doing it for the likes. like the vast majority of proto-communists on lemmy who are waiting for the revolution so they can finally be the good communists they are in their heads… while living their lives day to day as unflinching capitalists. Marx also saw this, ‘false consciousness’. Same thing.
But god forbid any lemmite actually does something difficult like… read marx.
If you like to let your lexicon get invaded by tabloid writer’s sensationalist bullshit then a term like virtue signaling is right for you.
You applied faulty logic to a propaganda device to try and justify it in your head. You are wrong, so very wrong. But that is okay.
I see the feelings are strong in you without any facts or logical thoughts to back it up. This is because you are clearly operating in bad faith or are incapable of meaningful critical thought.
I suppose you could just be acting like a cynical asshole and not just a right wing troll. It is basically a horseshoe thing though, so it really doesn’t matter. Cheers!
or I’m none of that.
Why is it that you have to demonize me? do you ever ask yourself that? why is the concept of virtue signalling so politically loaded for you?
You were not acting like a cynical asshole? I am having a hard time believing you deny this. I have certainly been guilty of this in my life so it is not a big deal.
At any rate, that is not who you are. Is it? If not, then my apologies for implying you were acting that way.
The term Virtue Signaling is politically loaded rhetoric. It is a form of anti-protesting. Akin to those who say pointing out racism is actually racist. That people making statements are the problem instead of the actual problem. It shifts the blame and is a shitty propaganda technique.
all you want to hear is me admit that i’m wrong and your right. i’m bad, and your good.
does it occur to you that neither of those things is true? i am ultimately, nobody to you. why do you this compulsion to cast me as a villain to your heroic self? because i dared to say something you disagreed?
i mean, you just seem to understand the term as ‘anyone who says it is bad and conservative and bad’.
I don’t see it that way. but you dont’ really seem to care about anything other than pushing a political agenda here, hence your collapsing the term under the ‘propaganda’ monkier. As if what, your leftist/liberal beliefs aren’t also full of propaganda?
From where I stand it’s a useful tool of analysis of human behavior. one that extends far beyond politics. sorry if my interest in this tool is deeply upsetting to you, but that’s really a you issue, no? do you also find my use of a car to get to work offense and evil?
I made statements, you can choose to do whatever you want with them. Trying to simplify this into good and bad is definitely a failing on your part.
I have spent decades studying this stuff so my perspective will be informed and wildly different than yours. That is okay.
I was raised Republican, became a Democrat, and now I vote Independent based on policy not feelings. I am very aware how all sides think.
Everything is propaganda. The sooner you realize it the better off you are. Also every piece of propaganda has some truth to it. That is what makes it work.
You found a shitty stereotype that was created by a tabloid writer. I was just pointing that out for your sake. You are welcome to ignore this and continue using this loaded bullshit phrase all you want.
