ah okay you got me, but that does not at all make this comic not mysogynistic. There is none of that context here. I dont care about this dudes opinion
He ignored her suffering and diminished it saying that for 5 days a month she feels what he deals with every day. He’s ignoring her point and one-upping her. That’s toxic behaviour that doesn’t help anything.
That he is also suffering is a separate conversation that also needs to take place but that’s a different conversation. The first step is resolving conflict is by listening to the other person’s point of view, not dismissing it as less important.
They’re both being toxic in the comic, so trying to play it as if either is more correct is being disingenuous and is a massive source of the confusion in this discussion.
She wasn’t merely saying, “I’m suffering”. The comic starts with, “you don’t understand”. It starts with her dismissing the comiseration attempt.
This highroad is cute and all, but it’s grossly ignorant to reality or the fact that there are no heroes in this comic: It is not one side being dismissed. It is both sides failing to communicate. They are both talking past each other.
I had not considered that, so thanks for pointing that out. Upon checking the comic more closely, I don’t get any hint that it’s making fun of misogynists, but it’s certainly possible.
I refuse to believe we’re living in a world where meme literally got Trump elected and people are still acting like “just a meme” is a thing. Jokes don’t exist in a vacuum, meaning is inherently tied to humor and can be read from it.
I think the issue here is that shorthair cannot know for sure what longhair is experiencing, exactly. Shorthair has experienced something that they would describe in the same way, but neither can know with certainty what the other experiences.
It is perfectly understandable to relate to others in pain by sharing your own pain with them, but it can come across as a bit dismissive sometimes, I think that’s the root of the discourse here.
So you’re just ignoring the part where the woman says that the man doesn’t understand? That’s the whole reason why he says how he feels. He’s not just saying that to undermine her struggle. He’s explaining why he thinks he understands her better than she thinks.
What the person you replied to is correct regardless of the genders involved. When someone brings up a problem to you, it’s a rude thing to immediately respond in ways that make it about you and your own pain. There’s a line between sharing your own experiences to establish understanding and empathy and making it the pain Olympics.
Especially in this comic, the man couldn’t possibly understand how it feels to have the unfortunate symptoms that come from having periods, and he instantly equates putting up with his partner during their period as equivalent. It’s eye rolling on multiple levels.
Heheh, I’ve been checking out your comment history and you’re on quite the crusade! I don’t know if I agree with everything you say, but I can get behind the determined fury. I can be like that too, and I’m not gonna downvote anyone else for doing the same, because this place does get a bit kumbaya and dissent-averse at times, and I think it’s fair to call shit out.
He never made it about him. You made it about him. Where did he equate it to putting up with her? He didn’t, you did. He only explained how he could in fact understand her pain. You are saying he can never express his pain, he can only agree with her, pure bigotry
I never said he couldn’t express his pain. I said, regardless of genders, this way of expressing it is simply rude and not a good way to communicate in any kind of relationship. When someone brings up something that is bothering them, and your immediate response is “yeah, but me”, you’re being a jerk. Since this seems to be escaping you, this doesn’t mean the other person isn’t allowed to talk about their feelings. They simply need to be an adult and do it at a more appropriate time or in a more appropriate way. Conversations like this aren’t a battle to be won, they are a tool used to solve a problem or simply vent frustration.
You seem to be looking at this in a very black and white way. Therapy can help with that. It’s not a fun way to go through life.
Misogynistic drivel.
Shut the fuck up and listen. If someone says they’re suffering you pay attention to their problems not make it a contest.
You do undermine your own point a bit by trivializing men’s suffering in the same breath as demanding nobody trivialize suffering.
The comic is bullshit for sure but you did exactly the same thing it did.
There is no real life situation where the proper response to a person crying in your presence who claims they have it bad is “I have it worse”
A rich teenager crying about how they’re not getting the brand new car they wanted for their sweet 16.
ah okay you got me, but that does not at all make this comic not mysogynistic. There is none of that context here. I dont care about this dudes opinion
He ignored her suffering and diminished it saying that for 5 days a month she feels what he deals with every day. He’s ignoring her point and one-upping her. That’s toxic behaviour that doesn’t help anything.
That he is also suffering is a separate conversation that also needs to take place but that’s a different conversation. The first step is resolving conflict is by listening to the other person’s point of view, not dismissing it as less important.
They’re both being toxic in the comic, so trying to play it as if either is more correct is being disingenuous and is a massive source of the confusion in this discussion.
Cool opinion.
… it is that “toxic” mental health that the author is trying to emphasize needs to be met.
both issues are valid. but shorthair‘s mental health problem is what’s being highlighted.
It’s precisely shorthair’s dismissal that needs to be intervened.
there maybe some underlying ASPD that needs to be resolved.
Also OP is a new account with only posts and no comments. Lots of red flags.
She wasn’t merely saying, “I’m suffering”. The comic starts with, “you don’t understand”. It starts with her dismissing the comiseration attempt.
This highroad is cute and all, but it’s grossly ignorant to reality or the fact that there are no heroes in this comic: It is not one side being dismissed. It is both sides failing to communicate. They are both talking past each other.
Did you consider that the comic is making fun of misogynists?
I had not considered that, so thanks for pointing that out. Upon checking the comic more closely, I don’t get any hint that it’s making fun of misogynists, but it’s certainly possible.
If so, it’s shockingly ineptly done though
Then explain OP’s title.
It’s a meme.
I refuse to believe we’re living in a world where meme literally got Trump elected and people are still acting like “just a meme” is a thing. Jokes don’t exist in a vacuum, meaning is inherently tied to humor and can be read from it.
Longhair: explains problem they insist short-haired can’t understand
Short hair: explains he does and why, revealing deep emotional damage underneath
You: MY SOGGY KNEEEEES!
I think the issue here is that shorthair cannot know for sure what longhair is experiencing, exactly. Shorthair has experienced something that they would describe in the same way, but neither can know with certainty what the other experiences.
It is perfectly understandable to relate to others in pain by sharing your own pain with them, but it can come across as a bit dismissive sometimes, I think that’s the root of the discourse here.
Unless they are a man, of course, then they should just get a therapist.
It’s about depression you git. Does he have “all men” tattooed on his fucking forehead? It’s one dude. You sound extremely hypocritical
This is how I interpreted it as well. He understands because depression makes him feel that way all the time.
Seems like you dragged in a load of baggage/assumptions: I just see a dark, dramatic turn of characterization without generalities.
So you’re just ignoring the part where the woman says that the man doesn’t understand? That’s the whole reason why he says how he feels. He’s not just saying that to undermine her struggle. He’s explaining why he thinks he understands her better than she thinks.
Why would we listen, you just did the opposite. No empathy for those who don’t show any.
What the person you replied to is correct regardless of the genders involved. When someone brings up a problem to you, it’s a rude thing to immediately respond in ways that make it about you and your own pain. There’s a line between sharing your own experiences to establish understanding and empathy and making it the pain Olympics.
Especially in this comic, the man couldn’t possibly understand how it feels to have the unfortunate symptoms that come from having periods, and he instantly equates putting up with his partner during their period as equivalent. It’s eye rolling on multiple levels.
You’re a misandrist and deserve to die like the rest of your subhuman caste.
Oh my, I think you need to talk to someone. If I suggest therapy, should I die twice?
Heheh, I’ve been checking out your comment history and you’re on quite the crusade! I don’t know if I agree with everything you say, but I can get behind the determined fury. I can be like that too, and I’m not gonna downvote anyone else for doing the same, because this place does get a bit kumbaya and dissent-averse at times, and I think it’s fair to call shit out.
That’s all.
He never made it about him. You made it about him. Where did he equate it to putting up with her? He didn’t, you did. He only explained how he could in fact understand her pain. You are saying he can never express his pain, he can only agree with her, pure bigotry
I never said he couldn’t express his pain. I said, regardless of genders, this way of expressing it is simply rude and not a good way to communicate in any kind of relationship. When someone brings up something that is bothering them, and your immediate response is “yeah, but me”, you’re being a jerk. Since this seems to be escaping you, this doesn’t mean the other person isn’t allowed to talk about their feelings. They simply need to be an adult and do it at a more appropriate time or in a more appropriate way. Conversations like this aren’t a battle to be won, they are a tool used to solve a problem or simply vent frustration.
You seem to be looking at this in a very black and white way. Therapy can help with that. It’s not a fun way to go through life.
Conversely, empath the fuck up and don’t push your problems on someone who also has them. Both struggles, as minor as they could be, are valid.