No, you.

Equals.

So, how do you distribute limited supplies exactly?

Second point, I think if you’re trying to ensure a pandemic doesn’t spread, rounding up desperate people (who mostly flee persecution) to deport them, is going to make a bad situation worse. People will hide and won’t get vaccinated. Kinda obvious to me

As opposed to how all the criminals are usually out in the open, just going to government facilities and saying “I broke the law, vaccinate me”? Do you also think drug dealers shouldn’t be persecuted, because then they will hide their income and not pay taxes? Or do you think most criminals break the law for shits and giggles while only the illegal immigrants do it out of desperation?

I’m saying that it is irrelevant, because expats have also not received a huge chunk of the benefits that natives receive.

And the start of the argument was where they are entitled to that “huge chink of benefits” before they have contributed what the society expects them to. OP was complaining that they pay taxes, but aren’t benefitting to the same extent as the natives. What you are saying is not a countetargument to my point, it’s a different phrasing.

That’s irrelevant. The only relevance is the cost-benefit analysis.

No, it’s not. Because your benefit is what underpins the system. Everyone in a society pays taxes, so that everyone in that society can benefit. How you choose to benefit is irrelevant. If you base it on cost-benefit analysis you’d have a really shitty situation as it wouldn’t only impact emigrants. What would happen to children who are deemed too expensive to support for the potential benefit they can bring in? Taxes, healthcare, etc. are not based on cost-benefit, they are a social system that expects everyone to contribute for the sake of the society. If you aren’t a part of that society and haven’t yet met the contribution threshold, you don’t get the same benefit as those who did. Your view is very classist, prioritising rich over poor.

Did you move for your host country’s benefit or for your own benefit?

How is that relevant?

Because that’s how it works and why citizenship by blood is the default in most countries.

If you think that the taxes that your parents have paid have covered 100% of your mother’s birthing ward, parents’ paternity leave, your healthcare as a child, all the steps of your education, etc etc, you’re living in la-la-land.

No, I live in a society. Part of it is that we take care of each other, no single person is expected to 100% pay for themselves, but everyone is expected to contribute based on their situation. It’s an agreement we’ve made long ago that extends to everyone our society is responsible for, regardless of their economic status. Just because you don’t like the agreements made by your society, doesn’t mean you are entitled to ours. Especially if you haven’t done your part to contribute. Once you have, you are often welcome to join in and benefit from it. If you choose not to, that’s also your right.

That’s when their parents were paying taxes. Where were your parents’ taxes going?

I pay taxes here, spend my money here.

You’ve paid taxes for a few years. The natives have done it their whole lives. Why would you expect to be their equal when it comes to getting those back? And why do you think going after people who’ve dodged every single checkpoint on their way in, broke the law to be there, is wrong, especially during a pandemic? People were having a hard time crossing borders legally, why would criminals be protected?

Brown. They mean brown men.