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A website dedicated to naming ICE and Border Patrol employees is coming under a “prolonged and sophisticated” cyber attack after the Daily Beast revealed it planned to make public 4,500 names of federal immigration staff.
The founder of ICE List said the website was overwhelmed by malicious web traffic originating in Russia after the Beast reported that a huge cache of personal IDs had been leaked to the site by an alleged Department of Homeland Security whistleblower.
The Direct Denial of Service (DDOS) assault, which began on Tuesday evening and is still ongoing at the time of publication, saw a huge number of IPs simultaneously access the website of ICE List, a self-styled “accountability initiative.”
This has successfully overloaded the ICE List’s servers and is preventing people from accessing the site. The timing coincided with ICE List founder Dominick Skinner telling the Daily Beast he would make public the first tranche of names in the dataset, which was leaked following the shooting by an ICE agent of mom Renee Nicole Good.
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Now why on earth would Russia want to halt the leak? Especially when they’re so mad at us about Venezuela and the oil we’re seizing? 🤔
The founder of ICE List said the website was overwhelmed by malicious web traffic originating in Russia
Putin and his Black Hundreds trying to protect the little army of Kluxers in olive drab.
That’s what torrents are for
I don’t know what you guys are talking about. I have no problem accessing the site. Could I be on a fake one? https://icelist.is/ice/
mine looks like this and when I click on an office, person or directory, it yields dozens of sub categories or more names of underlings:
Yeah, but all of that info was there last week. Nothing from the new leak.
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Make the static dataset available on IPFS and you’ll have node operators pin it on their instance. Good luck taking that down.
I’d be okay with a torrent as well.
Make a torrent and it will be on the internet forever.
Given how small a dataset it is, in addition tona torrent it can also be shared in an ever growing list of Mega links.
That doesn’t seem to be what they want, and they are sending a bunch of flying monkeys after everyone that asks for it.
If it’s small could it be incorporated in the Bitcoin blockchain?
Shut the fuck up with this bullshit. No one wants the blockchain.
It’s not entirely a stupid idea.
Block-chains are an append-only ledger where each block includes a cryptographic hash of the previous block, where new blocks are accepted by quorum across all independent nodes. The only way to fuck with the ledger to erase history would be to either exploit an undisclosed flaw in the cryptographic hash, or have enough nodes to convince the every other node that their version of history is wrong and that this fake version of history is the only truth.
Burning an undisclosed cryptographic vulnerability for this would be an extremely stupid (but plausible) idea that would make the vulnerability worthless to them in the future. Even if they didn’t have to burn a vulnerability to break the block-chain’s system of trust by rewriting history, they just proved that bitcoin is untrustworthy—which would immediately destroy its financial value.
What might actually be even better, though, is that multimillionaires, billionaires, and the United States government itself hold a bunch of cryptocurrency. The former for investment/tax evasion/laundering, and the latter in seized assets. On top of that, many criminals and hostile foreign governments hold Bitcoin, too.
Encoding the list in the Etherium or Bitcoin block-chains would make removing it extremely self-destructive for the fascists who don’t want the list to be public. It becomes a lose-lose situation for them.
A bittorrent magnet link or IPFS would be less wasteful, but they lack the self-destructive disincentive that would make them think twice about even trying to stop it.
Or you could just use a magnet link to circulate the torrent and use the DHT as your “block chain”. No need to add more moving parts…
Or do all of the above? It ain’t limited to one choice.
Entangling the destruction of the list with the destruction of cryptocurrency itself isn’t a bad thing either. If they impulsively destroy the value of bitcoin, they hurt the people whos opinions they actually care about: the 0.01%.
The Direct Denial of Service (DDOS) assault,
That’s not was DDOS means: Distributed Denial of Service
…meaning it comes from so many different sources its very hard to block.
AI doesn’t know that.
It’s a common acronym. This isn’t the kind of thing an LLM would screw up, in my experience, I’d put my money on human error for this one.
Ding ding ding
It sounds to me like a simple region block would do the trick nicely. It’s not like this website is intended for a Russian audience so block them all and be done with it.
It’s the daily beast, would not be surprised if the article was AI hallucinated based on a few tweets or something
Is it possible to filter posts by url on lemmy? I don’t want to see more daily beast slop…
The reason I used Daily Beast was because I was looking for info on Icelist earlier today to see if there was any news on what happened … and Daily Beast was the only site that had up-to-date info.
People are getting dumber about computers, not smarter. You heard it here first.
No, I’ve known this for a long time. When I was a kid I was conscripted into doing tech support for my older relatives. Now my generation is doing tech support for the younger generations.
When my generation dies it’ll kick off a post-apocalyptic future where people have to rediscover how all this technology works.
Now my generation is doing tech support for the younger generations.
Or having to teach them how to write and debug code in COBOL.
All of us who grew up as computers became mainstream had to learn how to use them and troubleshoot things, we also got to grow up as it was maturing.
These newer generations are handed tablets with apps and that’s it, and all the apps they want to use are focused around tiny attention spans and how to manipulate them.
Well, back in OOUUURRRRR DAYYYYY, the only computer was Windows and nothing ran until we edited the AUTOEXEC.BAT just to find out the .dll our sneakernet shareware software installed munged up the TCP/IP stack and we had to spend two hours and find the Windows install media to remove and replace it and THEN it would work until we installed something else.
And we LIKED it that way! We loved it!
I had to learn how to navigate Windows 3.0 using keyboard commands with no screen. I had to fix the resolution when I set it too high and the display was a 4 pixel tall line across the screen. Way back before preview and accept changes existed.
I remember back in the day in my highschool computer science class, altering the autoexec.bat to mess with the next student in fun ways. Nothing that would stop them, but simply give them pause.
I agree about people getting dumber about computers, but sadly you’re not the first to say it.
I see it in my IT work everyday. It makes for some good job security, but I wonder what happens when the last of us that know how to work the dark magics shuffle off our mortal coil.
In an ideal world, as they see your knowledge is harder and harder to replace, they’ll start paying more for it, and that will hopefully be encouraging enough to the current workforce to learn the skills.
In an ideal world, as they see your knowledge is harder and harder to replace, they’ll start paying more for it
This is true and happens to me.
, and that will hopefully be encouraging enough to the current workforce to learn the skills.
Here’s the challenge. Someone new that doesn’t have the skills that is enticed by the money has to make two evaluations:
- How hard is it to learn the skill?
- How long with the skill be marketable?
For me to learn the skill wasn’t difficult because is it was modern and contemporary technology at the time. Training and support resources existed, and I was able to incrementally learn how those older technologies continued to evolve or be accommodated as new technologies arrived to replace them, but then didn’t. That won’t be the case for someone new. They can’t even use the old training material I used (assuming it was even still around) because that was written assuming the technology pervasive and well supported while the opposite is true today.
As for marketability, this is an even larger gamble. Many of these technologies should have been retired decades ago, but weren’t for a variety of niche reasons. No organizations are putting out new deployments of these old technologies. The customer base/employers wanting these skills decrease every year as old legacy systems are finally retired leaving even fewer opportunities for a new person to exercise these newly acquired old skills. Its a fact that someday there will be no users of them, but when will that be? It should have happened already so what new worker would want to try and gamble on going into extensive learning on technologies that should be dead by the time they master them?
Oh, if you’re talking about outdated technology as well, then that definitely gets harder.
They might have to face the decision to at least redo it with modern tech as these people are at least willing to learn that.
Or it could go like COBOL where the change is just so insurmountable, at least some jobs might exist for a very long time.
Then the AI overlords’ takeover will be complete. Dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria.
Same as with cars. Everyone just wants to press a button and go.
So Russian criminals are helping American GeStaPo fascists in taking over the country? What a coincidence…
Birds of a shitfeather flock together, Randy
Shitapples, Randy. Shitapples.
Shitapillers
You don’t think their names aren’t in the files? Can’t be heads off state from all over the world have so much power being a literal pedophile is the only way to get their heart pumping. Strangling women on the interstate just doesn’t hit the same after a while. (I’m not joking. Or leaders are no better than you average psychopath, the only difference is they are in power and can get away with it.)
Let’s see some email leaks that connect the dots there as well to this attack.
I bet it exists somewhere.
Oh noes. So horrible that there are no other ways this can be disseminated and I am SURE the organizers aren’t looking into those at all.
I guess the more interesting question is… is this putin or is it just a black hat for hire working out of russia?
I guess the more interesting question is… is this putin or is it just a black hat for hire working out of russia?
I have good money on it being a “friend” of Pooty-Poot’s who wants to squash resistance to ICE. Possibly someone who’s in a position of power. Possibly someone who’s a demented rapist felon and a pathological liar.
demented rapist felon and a pathological liar.
It’s insane to me how little this narrows it down to someone who doesn’t already know who you mean.
Does Putin want fascism or civil war in the US?
Yes
Trying to get into the mind of a deranged fascist is a futile effort at the best of times.
But my speculation? He understands that trump is a real shit asset. Way too impulsive and he is rapidly reaching the point where even video of him sucking off bill clinton won’t make a difference (and, thus, won’t be a threat). And putin is competing with all the other people pulling trump’s strings who don’t need to get on a plane to intimidate him.
So either way works. The point is to negate the US as a threat (either by turning us into an ally or letting us murder each other) and, as a result, negate NATO as a threat. Because most of NATO aren’t fucking lunatics who put a massive percentage of one of the largest GPDs in the world into a standing military. WE were the army of NATO. And… yeah.
I was thinking something like if he wants fascism, then helping prevent this doxing makes sense. If he wants civil war, then do nothing and let the list get out.
If they were interested in actually distributing this they would have just sent a CSV file of the entire list out and the whole list would be floating around social media already. This is a fucking scam.
I’m no expert, but I can think of a few reasons: maintaining an official signed source, data integrity, and complying with takedown regulations:
Your Responsibilities as a Whistleblower
Media and Public Disclosure
Public disclosure receives the least protection under most laws and carries the highest risk. It may be protected in limited circumstances, such as when:
- You reasonably believe disclosure serves the public interest
- You’ve attempted other channels without success
- There’s immediate danger requiring public warning
Even then, protection is uncertain and depends heavily on specific circumstances and applicable laws.
High risk along with public identification means the leaker probably wants to comply as much as possible to state and federal law. From the article:
Skinner said he planned to publish “the majority” of verifiable names, while carving out exceptions for positions like childcare workers and nurses
Yeah it totally makes sense to make a resource that is totally inaccessible and doesn’t actually exist.
Well, it’s inaccessible because Russian state-sponsored hacking collective is DDoSing the leaker’s website. Why would someone go through the risky process of leaking sensitive federal data that doesn’t actually exist?
I suppose it could be to spook ICE into withdrawal, but I don’t think that’s going to stop them given the tenacity of their extremely broad mandate and excessive deployments.
Or, it could be to goad Russian state actors into a honeypot to uncover their state affiliations, but they are generally insulated from that as a matter of Russian operating procedure.
I don’t see a possible benefit to faking this list. Could you provide an example?
To gather up a list of thousands of leftists who tried to access it without a VPN or TOR?
That’s a great example, and it probably falls under retaliation protections which I would not expect the US government to uphold at this time. So, anyone trying to access this website should definitely use TOR.
However, the fact that a Russian state actor is successfully attempting to limit access is pretty telling that they and the Trump administration don’t want this information leaked. My guess is that they know this information not only exists, but is dangerous to their interests.
I’m sure sending out a list with none of the associated verification information wouldn’t have any weaknesses to manipulation or falsification…
Good point. Making a list that no one can access and probably doesn’t actually exist is much better.
You’re not wrong, on the ice list sure they’re harping hard for donations and coffee money. Just release the files ffs. Ha now that sounds familiar.
So . . . Trump reached out to daddy for help.
All they needed to do was put out a torrent.
Get ready for a bunch of totally not foreign propaganda bots to explain why that doesn’t make any sense and that somehow YOU are the crazy person for expecting this list to actually exist.
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Trump - You are, boss. It’s only you.
FYI - I was able to get through to the Icelist wiki page which now has a 403 Forbidden on it. I don’t know who controls the site rn.
Yeah this probably should have been archived offline immediately and then spread around to decentralize it.
This is a scam. No one ever saw this list and it would have been trivial to distribute if that was ever the intent.
I saw the list yesterday for a few minutes. Then it crashed.
Why do you think they didn’t just distribute a 50kb CSV file so that everyone on earth could have it today?
You should ask them.
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Then don’t believe me. No skin off my ass.
Good luck with all the IPs your gathering into this honeypot. Hope folks had their VPNs turned on when they tried it.
For anyone else reading this, here is what is happening:
Post fake list.
No one can get it, but thousands of people try.
Oops, we got hacked.
Two months later.
Hey, why is MY house the one that got visited by ICE?
I saw the list. It contains names, photos, linked in profiles, job position in ICE, etc.
EDIT: I will add, whether this whole thing is fake or not, I saw a list. the website had names, linkedin, etc. This data is completely unverified. I admit it seem a little off. But the website listed did in fact have names and links.
Awesome! Want to share the cached page or anything that you managed to grab while you were there? Even a screen shot?
Ah the ‘Epstein list isn’t real’ phase of denial. How gauche.
Just to be clear, you are equating wanting to actually see proof of this list of ICE agents before accepting that its real with denying the Epstein files. Are you OK, dude?
You can’t place ads next to a CSV file.
The site has no ads
Exactly, and that’s the best-case scenario.
I wonder why these pigs wouldn’t want to publish their name if they just got their best job in their life …
