I agree that the system is absolute dogshit in NYC, but how do you go about fixing that? Xinjiang had the benefit of being brand new, so there were no existing travelers, and it’s not like you can just close down a station in NYC and say “Oopsie; get fucked everyone who used this line/station, come back in a few weeks/months”.
What? That’s exactly what happens. Various stations in Washington DC have been closed, for 6+ months at a time, the past two years, for renovations. They made do with route workaround and shuttles in the meantime. Are you implying stations shouldn’t update just because it might cause inconvenience? Safety trumps inconvenience.
Good luck getting that to ever happen in the United States. Also buses would be very impractical and near impossible to cover long distances.
Plus traffic.
As an edit: I’m not saying that busses are bad or impractical. They’re the best form of short range public transit. I’m saying that buses in the this scenario would be extremely impractical and logistically impossible to implement.
The people here have never driven through gridlocked rush hour traffic on the Manhattan or Brooklyn bridges, and think that a bus is going to magically make it to its destination without getting stuck for hours or chasing traffic jams on its own.
NYC covers about 800 square km. Moscow is 2,500 square km and much bigger than that if you count the adjoining metropolitan areas. The standard “America is different because so big” argument doesn’t work against the largest country on earth by area.
Moscow traffic is also notoriously shit so it’s not like that’s a differentiating factor either.
Plus, the likes of London and Paris also have old metro systems that are much better maintained than NYC, so idk what combination of excuses NYC has.
It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario.
These stations need to be upgraded, repaired, and overhauled, but it’s not as simple as “close these stations down and invent a magical bus system for the time bieng”. It’s an extremely sensitive situation and I don’t feel like people are understanding. It’s not that it shouldn’t happen, but the level of disruption would be catastrophic for thousands of people. It’s a bad situation.
It’s pretty much like that, then like someone else said you provide a bus route between the two stations. It’s an inconvenience but has to happen at some time.
For smaller repairs like painting you an paint half of the station while keeping the other half operational, then finish the job some days later.
It sounds very easy on paper, but that suggestion is just horrifically infeasible. It’s not that it’s an inconvenience, it’s just much more complicated and logistically impossible then how you’re portraying it.
If everything good is impossible, maybe the USA should just cease to exist? Why is it that China can achieve so much so quickly when the USA hasn’t achieved anything remotely positive since the fucking moon landing?
Because that is building a station in an area that did not previously have that form of transportation, and thus does not have a massive quantity of people that rely on it for daily survival?
What a fucking bizarre train of thought. Literally toddler logic, “Waaaah, the fix isn’t simple and easy so it might as well cease to be! Fuck all the working people that make up the population! Here’s an asinine reason why they all deserve to be thrown in the garbage!”
Also really? I despise the US too, and it’s leadership has been a force of immense evil, but you can’t think of a single positive thing someone in the US has done, or a single positive thing that has happened in the US in the past 50 years? Not a single thing?
Also why has China been able to accomplish so much? Their systems of organization. That’s it. The end. What else do you want to know?
Also really? I despise the US too, and it’s leadership has been a force of immense evil, but you can’t think of a single positive thing someone in the US has done, or a single positive thing that has happened in the US in the past 50 years? Not a single thing?
It’s like trying to find the good in apartheid South Africa. Something positive must be there (the music), but overall, it’s not good.
Their systems of organization.
We should adopt this here. Other countries with relatively old metro lines (South Korea’s oldest was built in 1974, China’s oldest is three years older) have a shitload of people using them but also ways to repair and upgrade things (already discussed by others in this thread) without too much inconvenience. NYC doesn’t upgrade its subway because it’s run by shitlibs who are owned by the bourgeoisie, who lose money when society is even remotely functional.
If you’re talking about the bus route then you just don’t know what you’re talking about. Like others have said it already happens in Moscow and DC, and I can add my own experience with Athens.
Obviously if they want to do repairs or maintenance they don’t close one station, they close part of the line and replace it with an express bus line. Yes it’s slower and will make traffic worse but it simply must happen at some time.
Going by your logic, creating a subway system in a city with traffic issues is a “lose lose” because the roadworks will make traffic worse for a couple of years.
I agree that the system is absolute dogshit in NYC, but how do you go about fixing that? Xinjiang had the benefit of being brand new, so there were no existing travelers, and it’s not like you can just close down a station in NYC and say “Oopsie; get fucked everyone who used this line/station, come back in a few weeks/months”.
It’s a lose lose.
What? That’s exactly what happens. Various stations in Washington DC have been closed, for 6+ months at a time, the past two years, for renovations. They made do with route workaround and shuttles in the meantime. Are you implying stations shouldn’t update just because it might cause inconvenience? Safety trumps inconvenience.
an impacted pimple on god’s ass like fucking hungary can do better than NYC
the cope is just pathetic. infrastructure maintenance/repair is a solved problem.
When stations are repaired in Moscow, they are completely closed and some kind of bus route is launched, where you can travel with a metro ticket.
Good luck getting that to ever happen in the United States. Also buses would be very impractical and near impossible to cover long distances.
Plus traffic.
As an edit: I’m not saying that busses are bad or impractical. They’re the best form of short range public transit. I’m saying that buses in the this scenario would be extremely impractical and logistically impossible to implement.
The people here have never driven through gridlocked rush hour traffic on the Manhattan or Brooklyn bridges, and think that a bus is going to magically make it to its destination without getting stuck for hours or chasing traffic jams on its own.
NYC covers about 800 square km. Moscow is 2,500 square km and much bigger than that if you count the adjoining metropolitan areas. The standard “America is different because so big” argument doesn’t work against the largest country on earth by area.
Moscow traffic is also notoriously shit so it’s not like that’s a differentiating factor either.
Plus, the likes of London and Paris also have old metro systems that are much better maintained than NYC, so idk what combination of excuses NYC has.
I think it is more of a “this won’t work because traffic in New York is too bad.”
Which is like…yeah? That’s kind of why the metro desperately needs an upgrade, so more people can use it and prevent the gridlock?
I agree.
It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario.
These stations need to be upgraded, repaired, and overhauled, but it’s not as simple as “close these stations down and invent a magical bus system for the time bieng”. It’s an extremely sensitive situation and I don’t feel like people are understanding. It’s not that it shouldn’t happen, but the level of disruption would be catastrophic for thousands of people. It’s a bad situation.
It’s pretty much like that, then like someone else said you provide a bus route between the two stations. It’s an inconvenience but has to happen at some time.
For smaller repairs like painting you an paint half of the station while keeping the other half operational, then finish the job some days later.
It sounds very easy on paper, but that suggestion is just horrifically infeasible. It’s not that it’s an inconvenience, it’s just much more complicated and logistically impossible then how you’re portraying it.
If everything good is impossible, maybe the USA should just cease to exist? Why is it that China can achieve so much so quickly when the USA hasn’t achieved anything remotely positive since the fucking moon landing?
Because that is building a station in an area that did not previously have that form of transportation, and thus does not have a massive quantity of people that rely on it for daily survival?
What a fucking bizarre train of thought. Literally toddler logic, “Waaaah, the fix isn’t simple and easy so it might as well cease to be! Fuck all the working people that make up the population! Here’s an asinine reason why they all deserve to be thrown in the garbage!”
Also really? I despise the US too, and it’s leadership has been a force of immense evil, but you can’t think of a single positive thing someone in the US has done, or a single positive thing that has happened in the US in the past 50 years? Not a single thing?
Also why has China been able to accomplish so much? Their systems of organization. That’s it. The end. What else do you want to know?
It’s like trying to find the good in apartheid South Africa. Something positive must be there (the music), but overall, it’s not good.
We should adopt this here. Other countries with relatively old metro lines (South Korea’s oldest was built in 1974, China’s oldest is three years older) have a shitload of people using them but also ways to repair and upgrade things (already discussed by others in this thread) without too much inconvenience. NYC doesn’t upgrade its subway because it’s run by shitlibs who are owned by the bourgeoisie, who lose money when society is even remotely functional.
If you’re talking about the bus route then you just don’t know what you’re talking about. Like others have said it already happens in Moscow and DC, and I can add my own experience with Athens.
Obviously if they want to do repairs or maintenance they don’t close one station, they close part of the line and replace it with an express bus line. Yes it’s slower and will make traffic worse but it simply must happen at some time.
Going by your logic, creating a subway system in a city with traffic issues is a “lose lose” because the roadworks will make traffic worse for a couple of years.