So did he get disqualified for not using drugs? Would be ironic.
Let’s be real, the regular Olympics are already doped. Their entire careers are on the line with the pride (and eyes) of the nation bearing down on them and demanding results… and we think they and their teams aren’t taking every edge they think they can possibly get away with? All the time famous athletes of yesteryear are being revealed to have been up to shenanigans when science catches up to retest their samples more effectively or some investigation gets a co-conspirator to spill the beans.
There’s microdosing below what tests can detect, novel designer drugs that can’t yet be detected, therapeutic use exemptions for drugs that would normally be banned, setting up situations to evade tests unless you are prepared to take them, tampering with the sample, good old fashioned corruption… probably tons of things that would never occur to me but that would to highly motivated teams with vast amounts of money on the line.
You just demonstrated why Hunter won.
Your comment indicates its all drugsdrugs drugs. Nope. It’s years of training and dedication, sacrifice and absolute laser guided focus.
You cant dope your way to a skillset and discipline you don’t have.
I explicitly said they are searching for EVERY edge they think they can get. That includes insane hard work and practice. The hard-training Olympian who is doped will easily crush someone who is doped but just sitting around eating bon bons. Actually many agents people dope with are used because they allow people to train harder for longer and recover more quickly which is invaluable as an athlete. Saying that many athletes are doping is saying many don’t have integrity, not that they don’t work hard - that couldn’t be further from the truth at the Olympic level.
At that level, first there’s a shit load of work and deprivation and raw talent honed in countless hours of training, sometimes through injuries and pain. You make it sound like it’s all about the drugs and the cheating, I say there’s titanic amounts of work to be done just to get to be able to cheat. To keep to your edge metaphor: step 1 to 99 are forging the sword.
I remember someone suggesting that for all Olympic disciplines we should first select a member of the public and let them attempt it. 100m dash. High jump. Walking across the narrow beam. Doing one pull up on the parallel bars. I bet we would appreciate those athletes more afterwards.
I’m not condoning cheating, to be sure, and I’ve been around for long enough to see this arms race unfold, in cyclism and tennis especially. Athletes are human, and the desire to win sometimes surpasses common sense. But even for a total lying cheater like Lance Armstrong I can still appreciate the sheer amount of work he put in to get lto the start of the race. If you dope an average Joe the same way, all they will accomplish is maybe walk faster.
I remember someone suggesting that for all Olympic disciplines we should first select a member of the public and let them attempt it. 100m dash. High jump. Walking across the narrow beam. Doing one pull up on the parallel bars. I bet we would appreciate those athletes more afterwards.
I want to see an Olympics where they just pick people by lottery and grab a bunch of random average 30-50 year olds, have them compete with no training (okay give them like a few hours of training so they can actually give it a real try and don’t hurt themselves), then again after 3, 6 and 12 months of training. I feel like that could singlehandedly make a massive difference in public health given the modern sedentary lifestyle by showing people exactly what is possible for an average person who just got off the couch to do
There’s still a shit load of work with drugs, and it’s highly sport dependent, but I’d be shocked if there wasn’t at least one top 10 Olympic athlete that used PEDs in the vast majority of sports. The most common would probably be things that speed up recovery time, especially from injury.
I replied to the other fellow but in no way am I calling them lazy, actually many of the drugs they use allow them to train harder for longer and as an Olympians they take full advantage of that to push the boundaries of what is possible. Those agents aren’t an “I win” button but at the highest levels people will do literally anything to push themselves to be able to shave off even fractions of a second or gain whatever advantage they can, and being able to train more and bounce back quicker is tempting.
The athletes that openly take drugs to compete in these games will be banned from all other contests, so anyone who is already competitive isn’t going to take part.
A top-tier athlete without PEDs is gonna outperform lesser athletes who use them.
Let’s not forget the fact that ones who actually used drugs will be banned from any other competitions for many months or even years.
So, these other athletes are likely not in the “top tier”. It would be good to hear opinion from someone experienced to tell if it’s true.
It’s mostly true. The biggest name from what I’ve looked into is Ben Proud. He won silver at the 2024 Paris Olympics in the 50m freestyle. But you are largely correct it is majority no names.
Right. And the drugs won’t get them to top tier levels either.
What did he sing? Was it that song from Moana?
how does he aim with such a tiny arm
Wouldn’t tiny arms be better? Less leverage force?
Carefully.
Skillfully
Tottenham firing their next manager
I don’t know athletes names, and please don’t think I am trying to criticise him, but If he is competing in the enhanced games then there would be presumably no testing for enhancing drugs, so we only really have his word that he doesn’t use enhancing drugs which may not be the same as actually not using enhancing drugs
He could compete in similar competitions and get tested for those maybe?
They still test because the whole framework relies on verified categories, but I’ll admit the optics are hilarious.
I heard (source may not be reliable) that one of the goals of this project is to better understand the effects of various drugs on people, so they would still need to know what everyone’s taking.
The only enhancement he used (but everyone else on the pool was using it too) was a swimming suit so efficient, that it got eventually banned by the IOC for being deemed an unfair advantage. Also, most of the “enhanced” competitors were just returning from retirement, there’s only so much you can compensate with steroids.
Oh, and furthermore: jacking up a la Broly is actually a terrible idea for swimming specifically, because the extra bulging muscle is actually inefficient for hydrodynamic drag.
Can confirm, gym / lifting lifestyle makes you in to a shape better suited as a boat anchor than a torpedo. Also probably about as buoyant.
I read an article a little while ago about one of the swimmers who was training for these games and it talked about exactly this, how the changes to his body shape and composition were bigger drawbacks than the added strength from the enhancements.
If this event ends up going for a while and has enough interest I would expect people to figure out an optimal way to dope to find the balance.
Steroids that make you bigger are the main public understanding of PEDs, but there are plenty of other types that increase stamina or speed recovery from individual races. 10% more blood flow would be huge for a long swimming event than more muscle mass.
The advancements will be to the suit. It will become more like speed submarining than swimming.
That’s just them taking the wrong performance enhancing drugs. I would imagine that something that would lead to huge swelling of the hands and feet might be good for increasing how much water they can push against.
something that would lead to huge swelling of the hands and feet might be good for increasing how much water they can push against.
HGH does that.
But aren’t we talking about so little time that a little boost of energy could help you win?
Yes, generally, but at a certain point, the amount of energy gained from sheer muscle is unfortunately negated by the amount of drag from the muscle’s additional volume. That’s why most swimmers are relatively lean, with good core muscles.
I’m talking more of a speed type substance, not muscle gain.
Its ok to just write meth you know
I’m not sure if they allow actually illegal substances in the Enhanced Games, though
Steroids are illegal in America, I’m sure meth is legal somewhere
Yeah, an energy boosting substance should be more apt for quick sprints. Again, as I mentioned above, most of the “enhanced” athletes are coming back from retirement - giving 120% from a degraded muscle can (and here, did) give less of a payback than giving 100% from a muscle in its prime.
Yeah, an energy boosting substance should be more apt for quick sprints.
The opposite I think, meth doesn’t magically make you stronger or faster (it just feels like it does) but it keeps you going for longer.
but it keeps you going for longer.
Specifically, mentally going. The majority of olympic level athletes are not ‘flagging’ due to not being able to keep their mental focus while pushing through pain/fatigue, it’s due to actual physiological reasons as your energy stores deplete and muscles suffer damage.
Yeah… I think probably the only real ped that would be useful would be something like blood doping in between races for better recovery?
i would have thought there’s be like a blood oxygen thingy. or blood something else re- like… what’s it called. sorry, can’t remember the word. too much weed. 4:, uh, 4:57 if you want to be precise 4:20 was a bit ago. when you give platelets. they take the blood out and pull out the platelets, put the blood back in. i’d think there’d be something you could do with iv bullshit, something more intense with APHERESIS HAHA THATS THE WORD. i think that’s the word.
juice up right before the meet so you can voom. not even with anything that illegal, just with, idunno, making sure your electrolytes are the right balance.
Blood doping
Isn’t that what Gatorade is for?
psh gatorade that can’t be legal
Damn transitional people, winning all the medals with their unfair advantages
4.01 transitional is the worst.
Swimming is very, very technique based.
Also swimsuit based. Although he wasn’t using any PEDs he was (mostly) using a type of swimsuit which is not allowed in more traditional competitions.
Skill issue.
Was going to say, steroids wouldn’t even help much here, other than speeding up healing from the injuries you get because you’re swimming juiced.
I first read it as “enchanted” and for a fleeting moment I was in a world of magical swimmers until I read further and realised what it actually was. It was just like when I first came across “fantasy football” and thought it was about orcs and wizards playing American football.
We need a Blood Bowl of swimming.
Isn’t that water polo?
I was thinking of magic speed boosts and magical hindrance to your opponents in a swim race but if there’s a board game version of water polo you can clock people in the head and cast magic I’ll take that too lol
so something between olympic swimming and mario kart?
No. No it isn’t.
But, damn me if I don’t like the way you think.
I have friends who specifically sharpened their toenails for water polo. While I liked watching the swimmers in their tights, knowing they would happily drown each other in blood drawing contests beneath the water was a mild turn off.
Earlier this morning I heard someone say something that made me think that maybe I should have participated in competitive sports when I was younger.
Then I read your comment and realize that I was right to avoid that particular insanity.
You have to find the right group. There’s a fine line between competitive and ‘need to win’ drive. I can think of at least four large groups in my life that have broken apart specifically because there were some people in them that suddenly thought they could ‘dominate’ and everything shifted (in their view) to make that happen. Suddenly they don’t want to play with certain people, they get mad about partners who didn’t ‘play as well as they should have,’ etc. The fun disappeared and they dragged everyone else down with them.
I’d say the goal should be to have fun, and if you can’t goof off in the middle of a game/match/whatever, you’re too deep into the ‘need to win’ mindset.
You’re not going to find a lot of high school level sports teams that aren’t big on winning.
These days, I go to the gym where everyone is welcome and we all try to encourage each other.
I want to live in the world as you imagine it.
I dunno man, blood bowl is insanely brutal
Sounds like a blood bath.
I’ll settle for an erotic zoo.
Furry convention after hours
Wait, that’s a real thing??!!
Aren’t we living in the greatest timeline?
I want to watch PCP boxing
And no erratic emotions with an underperforming penis.
Hey, some of us have that without using drugs
Drugs can’t compensate for skill and technique.
…this isn’t a weird green text meme?
Holy fuck, the Enhanced Games are real? And looking into it, it’s backed by Donald Trump Jr and Peter Thiel.
Holy fuck actual dystopian future
Thiel in addition to being pro-surveillance state is also transhumanism. He was interested in Clavicular of the looksmaxxing community for similar reasons.
Iv always wanted to watch something like this, but yea knowing who back it, fuck it. Kinda curious how some of the other sports worked out in relation to the non doping counterparts.
It’s one of those things where it sounds kinda cool until you think about it for more than 5 seconds. If it takes off there will be people inventing all sorts of new horrifying ways to destroy their bodies and end their lives.
And if they have a category for prosthetics and surgical enhancements hooo boy there’s going to be some scary shit coming out of that
True, but, like im ok with adults doing that. Again, its not a good look and fuck running that show for profit.
We already have the nfl and boxing, ufc, whats one more way to destroy your body for money and our entertainment?
Look up the condition of American Football athletes when they retire. Having athletes permanently damage their bodies and their future is already America’s past time.
Right? People dope in all sports, I’m fine with people being allowed to do it openly. I’m sure since it’s Thiel and Trump it’s awful somehow though
I kinda get most sports and comps not allowing doping, arguments for and against.
But yea, all the doping, bionics and shit, lets just see what we could do. For funsies.
The problem is that with the potential damage to the body and their career this is exactly what happens. Only the retired or mid performers are willing to actually take on the experiment. Top athletes already use some forms of doping but are very protective, since they have more to lose. Only those with nothing to lose will go all in on the enhancements.
That sounds about right. Still, seems neat. Swimming obvs is a little different, but id love to see Roids McDaniels race against Methy McStevens and maybe Gout Gout (guy who broke Bolts record).
I get the reasons for not doing it, but it seems clear that a lot of people are still doing it. Testing is always lagging the new methods of getting around it.
I’m curious if, with the world going crazy for LLM’s, we will see it used to make novel compositions of existing chemicals that constantly outpace the labs tasked with finding the doping.
Those fucking ghouls would have The Running Man going on if we let them.
