Ugh and many people have made memes and such of this but its so annoying. If your policy says its to old then just have that in the message. Implying its the wrong one just pisses people off. You have a password manager and you know its the right one but you do the forgot password link and then when you put your password manager one in the truth comes out as it says you can’t use your current password. I swear non of the actual IT people from my heydey would ever do this. I feel like its the cs/mba types that bring all this bs.

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    you can reply all you want but when its way off base youll get guff for it. I will use the term again but making out like I am citing some imaginary rule is disengenous and contrary to simple communication between individuals. Thats a really great source of page not found btw.

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        Thanks. I will point out there is no severity rating or example of it being used in the wild. I don’t recall ever seeing a news article on how some company is ailing do to an attack like this. Then after all that I doubt anyone. ever. would think the way to fix it wold be not not have lockouts. which are pretty much a mandatory security item at this point. temporarily for mitigation. sure. in general not having it. you would have to be crazy.

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      disengenous

      You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

      I was being sarcastic, friend.

      And at this point I’m cool with you just being a troll.

      I’m a troll too sometimes, I get the thrill. Anyway, it’s been a fun few train rides writing this thread with you.

      Maybe I’ll see you around ;-)

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        ok you were being sarcastic but that is hard to do on the internet. when you look at me like that it was a joke. fine. then there is nothing to say other than you where being sarcastic in a thread and didn’t really mean what you said. thing is it seemed like you were deflecting from your topic which is a common thing a person does who feels like they have to win at all costs so they throw in some unrelated thing and start arguing about that. im sorta glad actually you mentioned it as im looking for a genuine experience (and I certainly do know what the word means even when I misspell it) and I work to keep my feed that way.

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          On the sarcarm thing, yeah that’s true enough. I think I’m funny, but it’s impossible for me to predict how that’s going to come off to someone who doesn’t know me. And sorry if my line about the “disingenuous” thing didn’t land, it’s a Princess Bride reference, I just wanted to sneak it in there inconceivably.

          Nice on the “genuine experience” thing. How’s that working out so far? I’ve had pretty good luck on Lemmy using programming.dev, but I’m usually more of a lurker than a contributor. The only reason I’ve been active lately is that I’ve started commuting so I’ve got some downtime when I can’t do much else.

          I definitely know what you mean about double-down behavior. I come across it all the time and usually just let it ride. “Not my job” to teach internet strangers stuff lol. I’ve also been in relationships with people who act that way all the time, on every topic, and eventually it becomes clear that what they’re after isn’t consensus, its’s persuasion, so if I don’t budge they feel like they’re losing some kind of battle. I’ve mostly learned to avoid those sorts. If you want to learn to spot it in the wild, I think the term is DARVO.

          I am just one of those people who reads wikipedia for fun, watches educational content primarily, and has a million hobbies, so I know a little about a lot of topics. I really want to share that knowledge with people but have a hard time doing so, I think I come off as pretentious, but genuinely don’t judge people or rank them into better or worse.

          People are just people to me. Sometimes people do bad things, some people do bad stuff all the time, but I know that somehow, in their mind, they think they’re right in doing so.

          Anyway, I did feel a little spicy last night when I wrote my last few replies, so it makes sense that you read me as being hostile and disingenuous. I wasn’t trying to be, but I know I can come off as pretty abrasive when I’m frustrated.

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            I feel one of the good things with the fediverse is you have a lot of control. I generally champion for as much user control as possible and I saw a lot of it in kbin and when it fell piefed sorta took up the gauntlet. I peruse all and block communities I have no interest in because I want to see new communities I might have interest in which does not work if you subscribe. Piefed tried to solve it with topics but I find all and blocking the way to go. When it comes to users I ususally due dilegence before blocking. Before looking through history to see if its common behavior or if they are just having a bad day. Also if they seem to be real and varied. Like people who only post in one particular way im more likely to as I either think they are bots or just obsessed with one type of thing. Piefed has this great thing now where you can make personal notes on users so its easier to not jump the gun. There are definately some very interesting folk and even things like this are nice as its good to be challenged. Not as much on something with get off my chest which is a community for bitching about something that bugs you but I like places were I can learn something. Ill admit though I have a chip on my shoulder with security in tech from my own IT experiences.

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              Fair, I totally neglected to recognize that’s what you were here for and focused entirely on trying to get the concept across. I don’t usually pay much attention to which community I’m reading, I just stick to local for tech stuff and all for everything else. I barely customize the experience at all.

              I’m not a security-specific person but I am a programmer, so I will just pass on one tiny nugget of wisdom on the original topic: Yes, what bothers you about the messaging in the UI is possible without compromising security, it’s just more complicated and requires a bit more scrutiny and due diligence on the part of the engineering team. However, “possible” and “reasonable” are two very different things in the eyes of a developer. We are typically constrained by tight deadlines, moving targets, and competing priorities, and that often leads to doing the simplest thing that solves the problem now, rather than the elegant and full-featured thing that will make everyone happy. My favorite reference on this topic is SMOP, (Small Matter of Programming) which is basically the idea that I just spelled out. Yes, what you want is possible, but it is more difficult than most people realize to do right.

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                Oh I get that but it frustrates me both in personal life and work life. One thing that I have found is quality teams have been tossed out and that type of thing is tossed onto, if your lucky, they customer reps and they generally are low tech techies at best and are put under pressure and such as not to take it into account. Also I feel many places no longer eat their own dogfood. This is a big reason we have the enshitification we have. Its not the only thing but its definately a part of it.