So odd that this thing that happened 12 years ago is getting the rounds so effectively right now. All over reddit and of course all over Lemmy too. Really shows how easy it is for repost bots to control narratives.
We come here to escape this ragebaiting bullshit
The reasoning behind it:
“Lack of Proof for Severe Negligence: Under Dutch law (Artikel 6 Wegenverkeerswet), a heavy prison sentence for a fatal traffic accident requires proof of gross negligence or recklessness (schuld).”“No Evidence of Excessive Speed: Investigators could not legally prove that the driver was speeding excessively or that speed was the definitive cause of the vehicle losing control.”
“Lesser Offense Applied: The court convicted him under a lighter traffic article (Artikel 5) for failing to keep his vehicle under continuous control rather than aggravated manslaughter or fatal recklessness, which capped the legal punishment guidelines significantly.”
The original 120-hour sentence was itself overturned upon appeal in September 2015. The higher appeals court concluded that excessive speed was legally proven, sentencing the driver to 15 months in prison and a four-year driving ban.
In 2020 the traffic laws were overhauled to increase penalties and expand what constituted reckless driving. A penalty points system was also implemented.
What a high quality comment. Whatever they’re paying you, it isn’t enough.
don’t worry. whatever he’s being paid for that service, I’ll double it!
Did the chair thrower get off as justified anger?
Sadly no info on the chair thrower.
Found it!
The father was not charged, prosecuted, or punished for throwing the chair. The Dutch Public Prosecution Service and the presiding judge officially chose not to press charges or seek legal penalties against him, explicitly citing extreme emotional duress and immense grief, stating that they completely understood his reaction given the profound trauma of losing his two-year-old daughter and his parents in the crash.
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2014/11/22/vader_die_stoel_naarrechtergooidenietvervolgd-1-2156081/
Good sleuthing
I got off
In 2020 the traffic laws were overhauled to increase penalties and expand what constituted reckless driving.
why do they always use weasel words ? all the evidence you need is a dead person, you killed someone, ipso facto you weren’t paying attention ,automatic manslaughter charge. Murder would have a higher bar. eg
There are legitimate accidents, even if most are preventable. Humans are all too fallible.
I’m at work so can’t watch video but excessive enough speed should be all you need. In my state, +30mph constitutes a major accident as far as insurance premiums go.
Not quite that simple.
I’m one of the few drivers who always drives as if expecting the unexpected. I try to never even put myself in a situation where someone could jump out in front of my car and die (by slowing down when passing pedestrians for example).
But that being said, there is only so much I can do. Maybe some day one of you retards will get yourselves killed and use my vehicle to do it. I don’t want to be held accountable for your follies.
If you killed someone, this case should be investigated properly rather than shoved under the bed because it’s law.
So you think the 2 grandparents hid somewhere and then jumped with their bikes and their toddler grandchild in their arms in front of the speeding car?
He didn’t say “in this case, it’s clear that…” he said “all the evidence you need is a dead person.” Pedestrians can never be at fault? BRB I’m gonna go jump in front of a car and set my family up for life
Pedestrians can never be at fault
I’d go as far as almost never.
Like if you can present dashcam footage that the pedestrian hid out of sight and jumped in front of you with no warning while you were not driving too fast for the conditions (which might or might not mean going significantly slower than the posted limit), then that should be taken in to account.
Outside of that? Yeah. Pedestrian being at fault should require incontrovertible proof that the pedestrian deliberately tricked you into being a part of their suicide attempt.
The person not in control of a two ton death machine should not be required to constantly watch out for murderous ecocidal narcissists. All the extra alertness and awareness needed to keep people safe from cars should be 100% on the drivers.
I knew some muppet like you would try to twist my words this way :)
A couple of weeks ago a 19 year old got 8 months prison for killing a pregnant woman with his car. He was going 120 in a 50 km/h zone. The Dutch judicial system is way too lenient when it comes to sentencing man slaughter by car.
Watch him get a worse punishment, too. (Not saying what he did is okay.)
at his sentencing he could say “I’m sorry, I’ve learned my lesson. next time, instead of throwing a chair, I’ll run over the judge’s family instead, since that’ll only get me 120h of community service.”
Maybe judges should get some accountability for letting murderers get away with murder
If I were a judge, I would fear for my life to hand down a sentence like that for someone that killed that guys family. Do you want ants?
(what he did was 100% ok)
Necessary contempt of court is awesome and rarely heard of. Chair throw was justified.
I would run her down in my car for the low low cost of 120 hours of community service
The easiest ways to get away with murder is to hit someone with your car or be a cop.
Don’t even have to be a cop. Just shoot an unarmed kid wearing a hoodie.
Right, the easiest way to get away with murder is to be white and have your victim be black. All the others are heavily contingent on skin colors too, but the next easiest one would be to be wealthy, followed by being a cop.
And I wonder why I have so much anxiety while driving while other fuckers seem to be totally cool being insane.
I’m terrified to drive a car.
Honestly, I want a car driven by (a smart) AI, with the vehicle itself designed to be heavily armored and without windows. Just cameras, each put in a spot to allow the car to see around corners, to have a high view of the roads in every direction, maybe some echolocation and infravision.
I don’t want to ever drive, because it makes me feel ill. Trying to figure out how to not cause some sort of disaster, is just not fun.
If it were possible, I would use a teleporter to skip driving outright.
I don’t understand why they keep making self driving cars with these cameras and shit
It should be like ants and on a grid. All cars should be aware of other cars. Basically the same as trains operate, how hard is that?
Then implement a massive amount of trolleys and trains to reduce cars on the road.
How fucking hard could that be? I feel like society is so fucking dumb sometimes.
Or sick a dog on them
And i can understand that father 100%.
Old, Repost, Rage bait
A friend of mine, Jessica Bullen was killed by a driver looking at the roof of their mouth in the rearview mirror when he plowed into her. The facts were not dispute. No jail time for the driver.
c/fuckcars
That one woman laughing her ass off. Probably the stenographer, thinks the judge is a cuntface.
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I feel for the dad.
But you don’t prevent crime with a harsh punishment, you prevent it by guaranteeing the person gets caught.
You know how you stop reckless driving? Automatic traffic cameras on every road that send you a nice fat fine whenever you violate the rules of the road.
You’d save thousands of lives every year if every major road was monitored in this way.
“Guys, we just have to implement a surveillance state to cut down on traffic violations!”
You see how dumb that sounds when you rephrase it?
Your car and your phone are already surveilling you. You’re just arguing against automatic traffic fines at this point
I’m still for it. Nobody who’s behind the wheel of a car should have any privacy, since the tiniest mistake or moment of inattention on their part can kill or maim multiple other people in a fraction of a second.
Oh yes, because cameras are so very selective and only watch when a car is driving by and only watch the person operating the vehicle.
Everyone ELSE should not be expected to sacrifice their privacy is the point you’re entirely missing.
And your imaginary privacy isn’t worth my life of the lives of the people I care about is the point you’re deliberately ignoring.
Flock you, looking for a surveillance state
Imagine instead of roads were designed to discourage speeding, we weren’t as car dependent, and we started taking both drivers Ed and consequences seriously?
Yeah I’d love a non-car oriented transit system but unfortunately 80% of the world would fight you tooth and nail to keep their metal livingrooms.
The automatic and guarantee fines would do a lot of work getting people on board to ditch the cars.
There’s a big fucking difference between 120 hours community service and harsh punishment for killing someone’s family
I did 40 hours for marijuana possession.
Edit. i guess each human life is worth about an oz of pot
You don’t curb crime with harsh punishments? So hefty automated fines for minor traffic infractions isn’t harsh punishment?
You are clueless.
A harsh punishment is something like life in prison, glad I could clear that up for you 👍
You’re clueless!
In what way am I the 1995 teen comedy staring Alicia Silverstone?
If we are going to choose a technological solution then making autonomous emergency braking and electronically speed-limited cars mandatory would actually help more.
Yeah that, coupled with building safer infrastructure, and investing in pedestrian, bicycle, and public transportation infrastructure in order to get people out of cars in the first place.
Disagree hard. The punishment needs to be so severe that these dirtbags never get another chance to ruin people’s lives ever again, period!!!
Meanwhile the imax camera keeps on rolling. What a clown show.
What would you have the camera operator do?
It should. People need to see this.
