About 10,000 people were arrested in the months of unrest in Hong Kong … three years later, about 7,200 were still in custody without charges yet being brought. (More statistics in the link)
As everyone knows, it was impossible to tell in 2022 what had happened in the three years since 2019.
However, there is a good point to be made there. It’d be nice to get more up-to-date information about what was the disposition of all these cases, and see if these people are still in prison years after they were allegedly part of a protest.
Since China unlike the US upholds a commitment to the basic norms of transparency in a democratically operated prison system, there’s a web page where I can just look up who are all the people, where they’re being held, and what the disposition of their charges is, and see records from the trial, or even go and be there in person and watch, if I feel like it.
Yeah, and they let him go 90 minutes later instead of him being still in custody with still no trial after three years. And that was such a disturbing big deal that four years after that, the last time I brought it up and what a bad thing it was was was… yesterday. I saw another poster bring up the same incident earlier this week, too.
The US police does some fucked up stuff (and they accelerated it up to like 5% of a China level under Trump, including that exact thing you cited). Any level is bad; it’s like not the China doing something excuses the US doing it, nor vice versa. But saying the two are comparable in the level of injustice in their prison and court system (let alone that China is superior in that regard) is transparently absurd.
Yeah. And a lot of them get abused; it’s more or less legalized mild-to-moderate torture for most of the time you’re in. And if you don’t have a bunch of spare money in the bank, trying to defend yourself against even bogus charges drops you into a Kafkaesque nightmare where your defending attorney is overworked and jaded, and the cops, judges, and prosecutor are generally all on the same team which has effectively infinite resources. It’s the worst system of all the ostensible democracies, easily, by a clean country mile.
They just closed a women’s prison in California that was more or less a legalized rape-playground for the guards, that everyone had known about for quite a while, but no one could really raise up the inclination to do anything about. Because hey, what the fuck, they’re prisoners. So who cares.
So imagine what a bone-chilling nightmare the Chinese system must be, to manage to be worse than the US by quite a bit.
You can “imagine” anything you want, that doesn’t mean that it’s happening. Meanwhile there’s documented evidence of prison abuses in the US.
The problem here is you inherently think China is bad but you have no evidence to support it other than what the US says. Are there things to criticize about China? Sure, no place is a utopia, but it’s not some “bOnE-cHiLliNg” place that you imagine it to be.
The same people who profit off of the US prison system are the same people who tell you China is “worse” to justify their own atrocities. Jesus fucking Christ.
My neighbour is a bit of an asshole, so imagine how much more of a piece of shit you must be, you probably murder and eat babies. I have no evidence for this, but I can imagine it, which makes it true.
Dude, I didn’t bring up China initially. They’ve both got very bad prison systems. I’m just pointing out that it’s silly as OP did to hold up some positive example of what happens to you in China if you protest the government versus the (already pretty undemocratic) things that happen in the US. There’s no comparison.
I mean, you can try. Are you Chinese or know someone in China? It’s not that hard to just go out on the street with a poster talking about Tienanmen or overthrowing Xi Jinping, and report back about your experiences.
I’m happy to show evidence comparing the systems. What are some sources you trust that I could cite?
About 10,000 people were arrested in the months of unrest in Hong Kong … three years later, about 7,200 were still in custody without charges yet being brought. (More statistics in the link)
That article is from July 2022
As everyone knows, it was impossible to tell in 2022 what had happened in the three years since 2019.
However, there is a good point to be made there. It’d be nice to get more up-to-date information about what was the disposition of all these cases, and see if these people are still in prison years after they were allegedly part of a protest.
Since China unlike the US upholds a commitment to the basic norms of transparency in a democratically operated prison system, there’s a web page where I can just look up who are all the people, where they’re being held, and what the disposition of their charges is, and see records from the trial, or even go and be there in person and watch, if I feel like it.
Oh wait
I’m sure your cherry-picked website can find all those people who were picked up by unmarked vehicles during the chaos of 2020.
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland
Some transparency they have…
Yeah, and they let him go 90 minutes later instead of him being still in custody with still no trial after three years. And that was such a disturbing big deal that four years after that, the last time I brought it up and what a bad thing it was was was… yesterday. I saw another poster bring up the same incident earlier this week, too.
The US police does some fucked up stuff (and they accelerated it up to like 5% of a China level under Trump, including that exact thing you cited). Any level is bad; it’s like not the China doing something excuses the US doing it, nor vice versa. But saying the two are comparable in the level of injustice in their prison and court system (let alone that China is superior in that regard) is transparently absurd.
my brother in christ, the US has the most people locked up out of any country currently, in history.
Yeah. And a lot of them get abused; it’s more or less legalized mild-to-moderate torture for most of the time you’re in. And if you don’t have a bunch of spare money in the bank, trying to defend yourself against even bogus charges drops you into a Kafkaesque nightmare where your defending attorney is overworked and jaded, and the cops, judges, and prosecutor are generally all on the same team which has effectively infinite resources. It’s the worst system of all the ostensible democracies, easily, by a clean country mile.
They just closed a women’s prison in California that was more or less a legalized rape-playground for the guards, that everyone had known about for quite a while, but no one could really raise up the inclination to do anything about. Because hey, what the fuck, they’re prisoners. So who cares.
So imagine what a bone-chilling nightmare the Chinese system must be, to manage to be worse than the US by quite a bit.
You can “imagine” anything you want, that doesn’t mean that it’s happening. Meanwhile there’s documented evidence of prison abuses in the US.
The problem here is you inherently think China is bad but you have no evidence to support it other than what the US says. Are there things to criticize about China? Sure, no place is a utopia, but it’s not some “bOnE-cHiLliNg” place that you imagine it to be.
Sure. What are some sources do you trust that I could cite?
The same people who profit off of the US prison system are the same people who tell you China is “worse” to justify their own atrocities. Jesus fucking Christ.
My neighbour is a bit of an asshole, so imagine how much more of a piece of shit you must be, you probably murder and eat babies. I have no evidence for this, but I can imagine it, which makes it true.
Dude, I didn’t bring up China initially. They’ve both got very bad prison systems. I’m just pointing out that it’s silly as OP did to hold up some positive example of what happens to you in China if you protest the government versus the (already pretty undemocratic) things that happen in the US. There’s no comparison.
I mean, you can try. Are you Chinese or know someone in China? It’s not that hard to just go out on the street with a poster talking about Tienanmen or overthrowing Xi Jinping, and report back about your experiences.
I’m happy to show evidence comparing the systems. What are some sources you trust that I could cite?