Starting with this post:
https://sh.itjust.works/post/44999037
Continues here:
https://sh.itjust.works/post/45035437
More posts discussing the fallout:
Dbzer0 admin claiming Uyghur genocide is ‘overblown and misrepresented’
Dbzer0 admin casually defending Uyghur genocide denial because “libs worse”, yikes
Banned from meanwhileongrad for “No db0 allowed”.
On Dbzer0, ‘harassing mods’ is when you criticize the top admin of .ml for responding to a Wiki link with a Lemmy search
Does lemmy.ml own db0? db0 denies the Uyghur genocide, begins to backtrack that maybe there are human rights abuses, and then immediately backs off as soon as lemmy.ml admin, Davel, steps in.
Tankie bar, db0, will remove your comments and ban you if you criticise lemmy.ml admin, Davel, for denying the Uyghur genocide
When the tankie bar, db0, is pushed about communists purging peasants, Davels swoops in with dehumanisation. Also, if you bring up the Holodomor then you’re a nazi.
Removed false allegations against goat from a post on db0
An anarchist tankie did a write-up of the constant use of ‘degenerate’ as an insult specifically in the MoG comm
Another anarchist tankie did a write-up of the situation
More links:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52444570
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/329886
https://sh.itjust.works/post/151703/234360
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/338067
that’s because you have never read anything about anarchism and have no idea what it is. anarchism as a philosophy requires solidarity. and solidarity means a community coming together to protect itself from those bad actors who wish it harm. the freedom of association that is a core part of anarchism also means the freedom to disassociate. banning pug and goat was our community disassociating itself from someone who doesn’t wish us well and doesn’t want to be a part of us anyway. anyone who is on our matrix knows that everyone there was very supportive of the way the dbzer0 and AN admins have taken care of the situation and protected the peace of our community. nothing that has happened is at all at odds with anarchism, any more than it would be at odds with liberalism or communism.
neither pug nor goat have lost their ability to take part in fedi, an ability they have made good use of by posting constant rage posts in their own comms. a couple of sad little kings, presiding over their sad little hills.
When was I banned?
I don’t wish fascists or their apologists well, nor do I make a habit of participating in their comms. Sorry that you seem to think otherwise.
Considering trying out for the Olympics with that amount of mental gymnastics?
I’m sorry, what do you regard Uyghur genocide denial, Holodomor denial, and the support of Vanguard parties overthrowing democracy as?
Is that what anarchism is to you?
First two I simply dont see from /0 staff nor the vast majority of the users you’re delusional on both points. On the third neo liberal “democracy” isnt real and is largely a vessel for control by the capitalist oligarchic class, I do not think ML is the solution to that however.
Furthermore, despite aggressively (and rightly) removing other forms of genocide denial in that comm, both Holodomor and Uyghur Genocide denial are left up in that thread, despite the participation of multiple admins and the reporting of the material.
In addition to that, both Uyghur genocide denial and Holodomor denial in that same thread are upvoted by the Dbzer0 community.
How many dbzer0 users would you like me to cite engaging in Uyghur genocide denial or Holodomor denial before you’ll concede that it might be a problem? Legitimate question, I know of a significant number, so I may be able to convince you if you’re legitimately just skeptical.
Rather than being a reference to modern democratic states, the position is in relevance to the Spartacist Uprising, which proposed, in response to Germany’s defeat in WW1 and subsequent incoming elections which the KPD was not barred from running in, and which were largely spearheaded by the then-much-more-left-wing-than-the-modern-day SPD, to attempt a coup explicitly along Bolshevik lines, which had, the previous year, dissolved a democratically elected revolutionary government in Russia.
DB0 believes that this vanguardist approach is true anarchist praxis, praising ML imitators as ‘libertarian socialists’.
I dont see how unruffled is denying anything there merely pointing out that starving a entire population to death is on a different level to (still wrong keep in mind) more gradual chipping away of culture. And no frankly I dont need cherry picked “examples”, the prevailing attitude on /0 is against denials of those events and taking a anti tankie stance.
And again neolib “democracy” is a bad joke most parties of Wiemar at that time were milquetoast ‘social democrats’ right wing nationalists & conservatives or even more milquetoast liberals. And that particular experiment in neolib statecraft ended in the Nazis taking power and killing millions.
“More gradual chipping away of culture” being mass sterilization, concentration camps, forced labor, suppression of Uyghur language, the destruction of cultural artifacts, literal settler colonialism, kidnapping children to place with Han families…
Very gradual, much chipping away, wow.
You also don’t see how claiming that the Uyghur genocide (and putting genocide in quotes, implying that it’s not a ‘real’ genocide, for that fucking matter) is overblown and exaggerated is denying anything?
Ah yes, the fact that they’re highly upvoted anywhere outside of dbzer0’s tankiejerk - including on flippanarchy and leftie memes - is completely irrelevant. None of the examples or evidence matters, only your feelings matter.
I’m sorry, did you not read what I wrote?
What part of the post-WW1 German elections, in a state which had not formed anything more than borders and a proposal for elections, whose electoral design was similar to the contemporary post-revolutionary Russian elections which ushered in a 90% socialist legislature, ‘neolib’?
This is just going around in circles, China isnt causing mass starvation nor flattening nearly every building in Turkistan its still bad what is happening but practically which one can we sooner do something about and what is the most imminent risk to a population outright carpet bombing, shootings and starvation or a shitty tankiestate using authoritarian measures to hack away at a culture quite slowly while at the same time investing in some infrastructure and public services in the region.
Again I dont see how unruffled was denying that China was doing shit, you’re grasping at straws.
And I simply dont see tankie campist related shit mass upvoted on /0 coms it doesn’t happen, maybe you’re confusing something that tankies & anarchists can agree on and is somewhat popular in both circles as a tankie concept.
And no the early Wismar legislature was not 90% socialist, if you’re being generous and assume the SPD was genuinely left wing (not really IMO, was still beholden to capital interests) then at most it was about 45% “left” wing.
Zentrum, DNVP, DDP etc all had a signficiant chunk (conservatives, right wing nationalists & milquetoast liberals).
The SPDs record is anti-democratic, they used elections to legitimize themselves then unleashed paramilitaries to crush organized workers. That’s not taking ‘democracy seriously,’ that’s narrowing what it means to protect the state.
Revolutionary democracy is more than just fucking ballots and voting. The entire point is mass participation, self organization and ongoing struggle.
The January uprising wasn’t a Bolshevik-style coup. It was a mass revolt sparked by SPD repression, which the KPD didn’t even plan and which Luxemburg herself thought was premature.
‘history major’
The elections hadn’t happened yet. That’s what the Spartacist uprising was trying to prevent - upcoming elections that they were not even barred from running in.
But tell me more about how the only response to an anti-democratic coup was to roll over and let the People’s Fascists™ execute everyone and suppress democracy.
Curious that seems to so often be an excuse to disregard the clearly expressed will of the vast majority of the population. It turns out that your “Revolutionary democracy” actually means “A vanguardist clique whose conclusions are always referred to as the will of the people, no matter how many people actually express opposition”.
The KPD literally voted on the subject, lmao. Talk about ignorance - or willingly spreading lies. It’s difficult to tell with fascists.
Yes, Luxemburg herself thought it was a bad idea and voted against it. Luxemburg voted, in fact, to participate in the upcoming elections, which is, according to red fascists like you, bourgeois. Damn that neolib Luxemburg!
She was outvoted by the KPD leadership, which preferred a coup.
Yes, it is quite apparent that you, like so many other fascists, are ‘tired of experts’ getting in the way of your masturbatory totalitarian fantasies.
The whole “Bolshevik coup” line is just historical revisionism. Even the Prussian government’s own inquiry admitted the January events weren’t plotted by the KPD — it was mass strikes and councils spiraling beyond anyone’s control
If your idea of “democracy” is ballots in one hand and Freikorps in the other, you’re just proving my point.
The roman empire guy who hangs out at the nazi bar curated by the nazi goat sending unsolicited asshole pictures is in no position to call anyone a fascist lmao