- cross-posted to:
- lgbtq_plus@beehaw.org
- world@quokk.au
- cross-posted to:
- lgbtq_plus@beehaw.org
- world@quokk.au
In short:
NSW Police are facing fresh calls to be banned from marching at the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras.
Three resolutions relating to police marching in the parade will be put to a vote at the Mardi Gras annual general meeting tomorrow.
NSW Premier Chris Minns has slammed the potential ban despite LGBTQ+ community consultation showing a majority of members do not want police to take part.
Far be it from me to have any say in this matter, but I don’t believe the cops who want to march are the same cops exhibiting homophobia and disdain for gay hate deaths. I would think that encouraging more engagement with the community would do more good than excluding people.
I think this is a fair point.
Sure, but if they’re in uniform they’re representing that institution as a whole. Marching in uniform, in formation, with guns, no less.
I think that’s legally mandated. If there were any other option available I’m sure Pride In Protest would be pushing for that too.
pride is a protest. it’s not a zoo - we aren’t here to be a spectacle, we aren’t here to be a tourist attraction for the state or federal governments
we are here to fight for our rights and equality - which we still don’t have, despite some of the white picket fence crowd trying to say that since we have marriage it’s over
police are the tool by which the majority oppresses the minority. as a symbol, police marching at mardi gras changes what it is - from a protest to an event - to a zoo for their amusement… their involvement is approval from the majority that what we’re doing is sanitised enough, is “ordinary” enough in their eyes
are there queer police? of course! can they be proud of themselves, and of their job? again, of course! but when they represent the police force, in uniform, they represent a group whose purpose is directly against the protest that is the whole point of the event
What rights don’t you have?
Let’s be reasonable, here. I don’t understand why half the community wanted to exclude gay cops but I can absolutely see that queer people face oppression just for existing.
Yes, we have come a long way since the 1970s when Pride started. But hate of queer people hasn’t gone away. It’s up to everyone to recognize that and fight against it whenever loonies start to stir it up in our communities.
My examples are in Perth, because I’m in Perth. I’m sure this happens everywhere in Australia, though.
i’ll admit i don’t like the drag queen storytime, just doesn’t sit right with me
tbf i probably wouldn’t like tradie storytime or ceo storytime either, just seems…suspicious…but at the same time parents are more than welcome to just not go, not sure where the issue is
the teenagers attacking gays is just maddening, i wonder where they are getting it from
The point to it is is that many kids don’t have any queer folk in their lives. Having a drag queen read to them gives an example of a drag queen in the world. That’s really all there is to it.
Kids do not care. They just accept everything at face value. All they see is a nice friendly person reading a story. It is no different for them than a play school host reading a story.
nah. I don’t see them sooking for a float at moomba or the grand final parade.
Why would NSW police have anything do to with these Melbourne parades? 😃
I have never seen an AFL parade, I just assumed it was all about footballers. Are there floats and stuff about non AFL stuff?
In WA, there’s a game each year connected somehow with WA Police. I’ve seen all the police recruiting banners and police community stalls around Optus stadium when I’ve attended games.
As to Moomba, have you forgotten Gentle Gendarme? The Victorian Police have a long history of being a part of the parade.
As I said: I have zero connection to the Sydney pride festival. So I have no strong opinion on what the organisers do/decide. But your response has highlighted the point I was making: I frequently see comments online that view police everywhere as one massive edifice all being the same thing. The replies that comment received follow that pattern. Police officers aren’t all one thing any more than all [religion members / political party members / sports team members / coworkers / pick your analogy] are all one thing. By excluding the cops who are queer/allies because of the actions of some other cops, you essentially tell them they’ll be tainted with that brush no matter what they do and they shouldn’t bother trying to improve things from the inside because it’ll never matter. I just think that’s sad.
buddy, wait until you hear what Pride is about…
No one’s saying “people who are police officers can’t march”. That’s a complete strawman.
People are complaining about the police marching as that edifice, that monolithic block. In full uniform as a group representing the force.
To be fair, I’ve never seen a pride parade, either. The photo highlights look like a blast, though.
But they are saying they can’t march as police officers. How is that different to saying something like ‘gay people can be in the military, but they can’t be out’?
Being a cop isn’t like being an IT worker. I go home, I’m off the clock. A cop is a cop everywhere they go. ‘You can march, but you have to hide who you are’ looks like a different sort of oppression to me.
Ok…
Pride isn’t a big party. It literally started as a political protest against a socierty and system - including cops - that wanted us gone and wanted us dead.
Pride is a big fat fuck you. We are still here. We are still alive. Despite you.
Cops aren’t being oppressed. And it’s nothing like DADT - that comparisons is ridiculous to the point of actual offense. You can stop being a cop. You can’t stop your sexuality.
Again: the objections are to the police force being represented at pride. Especially in NSW where they actively dropped, denied, buried and actively participated in hate crime murders.
I don’t believe I’ve tried to tell anyone what Pride is? I’ve never seen it first-hand and I’d certainly never try to tell someone who is a part of that community what it is or isn’t. I do think it could be a party and a form of protest at the same time, though. All the photos I’ve seen shared from Pride events from friends’ feeds sure show a lot of people having a great time. So, it certainly looks like a party. Yes, police actions at the start of Pride are horrible. There’s no defending any of that. Cops weren’t a part of Pride in those years, though.
I think this de-humanises the queer cops. They’re queer. They’re cops. To say a queer person isn’t being oppressed because they’re a cop is like saying they’re not being oppressed because they’re white. Sure, but they’re still being oppressed for being queer.
And a soldier can stop being a soldier. I don’t think telling people they can be queer or a cop is fair for anyone. And it sounds to me like this is what’s being called for. ‘You can be in our community, but only if you hide the fact that you’re also in that other community’. Imagine the reverse: If the NSW Police force told queer cops they couldn’t be out, everyone would be outraged. Frankly, I don’t see how this situation is any different.
I don’t know a lot about the history of this - are we talking about the 70’s and 80’s? If so, I don’t understand how the present generation are being blamed for those actions. Nobody on the force today was a cop in those years. If Pride is also a statement about present police actions, then surely you want to see people trying to change those actions? Wouldn’t you want to encourage and support the cops trying to change attitudes from within? As I said, I think that by excluding them from the march, you’re telling them that you’ll hate them for being cops no matter what they do and they shouldn’t even bother trying to bring change.
Eh. Ultimately I have no dog in this race and am not affected by any of this. I regret saying anything, as I’m clearly not going to change any minds on this. I am only speaking up on the topic because to an outsider, it looks like the Pride organisers are doing what they’re accusing everyone else of doing: oppressing queer people.
I’m just going to say this:
You really have no idea what you’re talking about, and i very much hope inadvertently have been really really offensive.