Toxic masculinity is a global phenomenon, but nowhere is it more virulent than in this hypermodern, connected society. What can other countries learn from this ‘ground zero’ of misogyny?
Toxic masculinity is a global phenomenon, but nowhere is it more virulent than in this hypermodern, connected society. What can other countries learn from this ‘ground zero’ of misogyny?
Funny how, when women are unhappy, they’re told they’re too emotional, need therapy, need medication, need to work on themselves. And when men are unhappy, it’s someone else’s fault.
This is a refrain I’ve heard pretty consistently directed at men.
No no, when men become unhappy, it’s “because they’re incels”
Who tells this to women?
Do you have a link to news article suggesting something like this?
Men in America have for decades
All men?
Enough to create the culture is all it takes. Being here I would hope that you understand we do this to each other too
People in US can pick and chose their culture.
Are women not allowed to choose the men in their lives?
Not really, can’t choose your family. And your ability to relocate jobs, community, or even out of relationships can be restricted by income.
And trying to change our culture is often met with reactionary backlash. I don’t know if you’ve looked into Edward Bernays but the state of gender relations started bad here by default and was made institutionally disastrous by our government. It actually is baked in to our culture just to be shitty to women and others who don’t meet specific ideals.
Ok some women grew up in households with loser men in charge and useless moms.
What would you estimate % of such households is?
I don’t know, don’t really need a number personally. I know I grew up with bad male figures and I know women who had bad male figures including my mother and aunts.
If you made me guess I’d say 90% just based on the number of women who have disclosed to me something fucked up happening to them. Don’t think you can verify that number though because people don’t exactly report their families. None that I know did.
Are you actually interested in any of this? It’s strongly tied to men’s liberation but I get the feeling you might be coming at this from a “which gender is worse” angle.
As a man, I have experienced the exact opposite.
When I have seen women unhappy, entire communities have come together to help them. White knights, in particular, fall all over themselves to help her.
When I have seen men unhappy, it’s invariably accompanied by women saying, “so fucking what? Man up, you baby.”
Sure, those men who understand how to help also reach out to assist unhappy men. But they do their best to avoid doing so in the presence of women, otherwise that “un-manliness” gets infected over to them as well like a miasma, and news of that percolates throughout the wider social group. It never ends well for any man who visibly assists, unless they’re wearing a uniform in an official capacity.
Maybe you need different friends. I certainly don’t get that reaction from my social group.
Removing all women from my social sphere seems to be just a little bit extreme…
Where the fuck do you live, Afghanistan?
“Women get whatever they want”, “white knights”, “men can only help other men behind the scenes, otherwise people start avoiding them” - honestly, that sounds like toxic manosphere shit.
Direct observation of interpersonal interactions in the community at large can be one hell of a superpower for anyone dedicated to evidence and facts. It’s why I prefer it, myself.
And you can do better than strawman attacks and claiming things I never said. Or will you double down and let fly with a full-on ad hominem next? You already came close with that last bullshit line.
Can you provide some evidence and facts to back up your statements?
Ah, an angry, argumentative pseudo-intellectual. I don’t think further conversation with you will add anything to my life, so I’m blocking you now. Goodbye.
Now THAT is a proper, intellectually bankrupt ad hominem.
You really have nothing anvailable, other than personal attacks, do you? Feelings before facts, I suppose – it fits the pattern.
Yeah, “white knight” is usually a dead giveaway.
How so? Especially since the term has been in common use since the 17th century. That’s a good 400+ years, now.
I can’t tell if this is bad faith or hopelessly misguided. The historical use of “white knight” (a folkloric or literary trope) has nothing to do with the usage you used here.
People who use it as you used it, in my experience, usually have a “manospheric” pespective on gender interactions, with an assumption of combatitive, winners and losers based behaviour from both sides.
Nope. North America. It’s where this is most frequently seen.
In fact, men supporting men is a lot better in Islam than it is in western culture. You can hug other men and talk about insecurities with each other far more freely there. It’s homosexuality, specifically, that they have an issue with.
Maybe you should move to Afghanistan? Your community sounds fucked beyond belief. And I can assure it isn’t the norm in most parts of the world.
I’m not responsible for the anti-male gender bigotries that others hold.
As an egalitarianist I’ll call it out when I have the opportunity to do so, but I’m staying right where I am, thanks.
What a hero.