Tbf the admins of lemmy.ml are the ones who actually develop the service. They deserve our thanks also.
Thank Dessalines for Lemmy and Jerboa
People who name themselves after genocidal warlords can make some pretty good software
That’s why the future is piefed. Lemmy is just one activitypub app.
I can thank them for their development efforts, but not on how they run their instance.
‘I would like to enjoy the benefits of collective efforts without supporting the political ideology that makes it possible in the first place.’
What makes it possible is the material conditions.
Are you sure it’s possible because of toxic ideology, or despite it? I may want to see the math on that.
You can’t think why people interested in collective benefit and free dissemination of tools, while rejecting free markets and the profit motive, might have some meaningful overlap with believing in socialism?
There are endless positive but fundamentally dysfunctional ideologies. Anything which doesn’t address how large populations behave is dysfunctional.
This is so vague that it’s meaninglessness.
That’s why a system like China’s is the only sensible one for a large country in the present world order - leaving important things up to unregulated markets and media is an abdication of responsibility.
Lol no
There are any number of capitalist platforms. Yet here you are on one developed under communist principles. And still too indoctrinated to work out the connection.
The toxicity of the ideology vs the toxicity of users describing or supporting an ideology.
It’s like asking if NASA went to the moon because of the NKVD or despite the NKVD.
That “ideology” is authoritarianism
- Understanding Siege Socialism - Gabriel Rockhill joins to talk about a controversial concept for Western socialists: “siege socialism”. A term coined by the great Michael Parenti.
- Third World Socialism in an Imperialist World - Rebuttal to Worthless First World Lib ‘Lefties’ - Liberal imperialists first worlders who vote for Joe Biden while calling themselves ‘socialists’ love to attack every remotely successful left-of-liberal revolution in the third world - here’s why they’re wrong (they’re also racist)
- Western Marxism & Imperialism, with John Bellamy Foster & Gabriel Rockhill - Please join us for a webinar to discuss the dialogue between John Bellamy Foster and Gabriel Rockhill on “Western Marxism and Imperialism,” published in the March issue of Monthly Review: https://monthlyreview.org/2025/03/01/western-marxism-and-imperialism-a-dialogue/
Spamming links with quotes that are unrelated?
The point was that the tankie triad are authoritarian, that’s just a fact
What did the “authoritarian” Lemmy instances do, make you eat your spinach? 😂
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“authoritarian” is a buzz word that left-liberals like yourself use to attack any country that has successful left-economic programs. Whether you realize it or not, you have been trained to deploy this label in defense of US empire.
“authoritarian” is a buzz word that left-liberals like yourself use to attack any country that has successful left-economic programs.
Not how I’m using it here, which is a direct comment on how a Lemmy instance is run. If you want to pretend the tankie triad aren’t authoritarian then you’re too stupid to discuss anything with, honestly
Whether you realize it or not, you have been trained to deploy this label in defense of US empire.
No, I haven’t, I’m one of the filthy socialists who argue in favor of many of the ideas of those regimes. You just see someone pointing out the bad of the tankie triad and make assumptions that I’m not firmly on the left and just disgusted by how high they are on the compass compared to me
This can be done under right wing libertarianism as well. Or general green people. Idk.
A society based on worship of individualism is diametrically opposed to collective efforts.
I’m thinking more about self hosting, though.
165 comments.
Lmao wonder what happened here
Your comment made no sense at first. And then I checked comment counts on other instances 😀
No drama in this corner of the fediverse :)
Federation works in mysterious ways
we got organic fedi drama, sir
Aw, I like talking to you libs. ✌️
DBZer0 represent
Awww yeah
So just openly anti-leftist and trying to promote Lemmy as another pro-fascism and pro-corporate and pro-war social platform. Real big brain move, doofus.
New Lemmy users, be aware: a lot of the Reddit astroturfers duplicate their efforts here. Lemmy.ml is a leftist and anti-war instance, so it gets a lot of pushback from the astroturfers. Be immediately suspicious of anyone talking shit of Lemmy.ml. It’s mostly bad actors and pro-war people.
Also, Lemmy.world is chock full of the same abusive and sketchy power mods from Reddit.
lemmy.world news and politics subs are ran by neo lib regime apologists… they follow reddit censorship model.
when the dead CEO happened, they lied they were blocking Luigi discussion because they were legally obligated to do this. that turned to be a fucking lie because the main Luigi sub i hosted on lemmy.world now
The bans will come, just block those communities, there alternatives where proper discourse is permitted.
Reddit rebranded censorship into “modding” but you have to be stupid not to see what this is actually about. The parasite class does not want people having independent discussion on how they are fucking us.
I’d say the powermods here can be even worse. Immediate bans for anything even slightly leftist in those communities.
.ml also has quite a few USSR- and China-fans (apologists for their crimes, going as far as praising Lenin/Stalin/Mao and similar leaders)
And I wouldn’t call .ml anti-war, just look at their stance on Ukraine for example (very common: “Russia had to do it because of the evil west”)
Calling Lemmy pro-corporate just reads like a joke. The entire point of it is to be independent from companies.
I also wouldn’t recommend Lemmy.world simply because it isn’t healthy when one instance gets too big.
Never said Lemmy is pro-corporate. The anti-Lemmy.ml posters are.
By “apologists for their crimes,” you’re referring to Lemmy.ml users providing sources dispelling the western hoaxes. Yes, they tend to be better educated and don’t simply repeat western propaganda that’s been debunked.
They’re “disproving” “western hoaxes” like the holodomor or uyghur suppression, and praising the USSR and China for being so kind to its inhabitants…
And how is OP trying to “promote Lemmy as another pro-fascism and pro-corporate and pro-war social platform”?
holodomor
Nobody is denying that the Soviet Famine happened, what they deny is the totally fabricated claim that it was a targeted genocide against Ukrainians.
uyghur suppression
Nobody is denying that there was/is a police crackdown, what they deny is the totally fabricated claim that it is a targeted genocide against Uyghurs.
tankie
Nazi sympathizer.
Tankies are anti-leftists. Full stop. Dressing it up in Soviet garb doesn’t make their ideology any less authoritarian.
They just label anyone who opposes European Nazis “tankies” now.
my fucking sides
new users, either believe we’re alt right astroturfers, or go to the tankie servers, familiarize yourself with their ideas, make your own opinion
I agree. They should look at Lemmy.ml to see what y’all are opposing.
Thank you for your accidental recruitment efforts.
I’m glad we can agree on this.
I was on .ml about 2 years before .world existed and discovered tankies and their ideas
russia amassing troops on the ukrainian border? just exercises, don’t believe western propaganda.
Days later, invasion. well no it’s actually ukraine invading russia (I shit you not)
oh well ok it’s a “military operation”, but that’s because they’re nazis, and bio weapon laboratories to attack russia. Etc,etcIf you have 2 braincells compare tankie and far right talking points, and underline the similarities
1610·7 days agocompare tankie and far right talking points
Right:
the trans are poisoning our children
Left:
They didn’t say “far right and left”, they said “far right and tankie”.
(Both images were taken from Hexbear, take from that what you will)
Please link the upvoted opinions that you claim exist like “Ukraine is the one invading Russia” and agreeing it’s “just a military operation”.
You won’t, because you’re making this shit up. And I know you won’t because I’ve challenged far too many people to provide evidence of the wide variety of made up shit and none of them ever have.
it’s most likely from
yogsaronyogtos or agreeable landscapeI took screenshots, I’ll try to dig for them
Edit: so it was Donbas invasion, my bad, it’s hard to remember bullshit. if I find enough screenshots maybe I’ll make a post to show what c/worldnews on .ml looked like before the reddit migration. Here you see some resistance, but believe me it was mainly tankies, and those absurd posts were upvoted. Sometimes people were trying to inject some sanity, but against the incessant flow of upvoted propaganda, would cash out.
Typical post mocking the absurdity of an invasion (they were a dime a dozen):
tankes gonna tankie
NATO was amassing troops & missile deployments on the border with Ukraine for years. Since Obama.
Almost like Ukraine has been invaded by them before, perhaps during said presidents second term?
For like three months before the invasion, Western sources were egging it on with everything they had. Tankies mostly got it wrong by assuming that Putin would be smart enough not to take the bait, because we all recognized that it would be a disastrously bad idea.
Oh hey we were right about that much at least.
Look at the mental gymnastics required so they can end the comment with
Oh hey we were right
And feel better about themselves. Pathetic
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Yeah see it’s bullshit like that which makes everyone point and laugh at you guys
They should check out hexbear too.
Lol .ml is not leftist, they’re authoritarians.
.ml site-bans people for their speech even on other instances, now that’s a page right out of the reddit power tripping mod handbook when you’d get banned from a sub because you interacted with another sub they didn’t like
https://lemmy.world/post/26416571
https://lemmy.world/post/26047186
At least here the modlog is public and I can document the speech that .ml actually removes
I do think .ml is a little too intense, but op is also kinda right about .world imo. Come to dbzero, we’ve got anarchism and piracy
Also we’re all cool and intelligent and attractive.
Obviously
Throw in some cookies and I’d be there.
What about pirated cookbooks with cookie recipes?
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They’re 100% BlueMAGA in my opinion.
Hate to break it to ya, but most people on Reddit are in fact anti-tankie
Also please show me my last post on this because it has been a while lmao
I think “most” people just believe uncritically the things they were taught growing up, that is until something happens that shakes that belief and they either choose to double down or reexamine their previous assumptions. All the new western tankies from the past decade-ish aren’t coming from nowhere!
Anti-tankies aren’t getting banned because they’re not supporting leftists and Luigi, genius. They’re allowed to stay on Reddit and post NATO propaganda to their heart’s content.
Tankie!= Leftists, Tankies = authoritarians
For example, I myself 1000% support Luigi and shit on my gov all the time lmao
But I am absolutely anti-tankie, because I do not support authoritarianism regardless of if it’s the US or China/Russia
Yes, you’ve attempted to play yourself off as leftist-adjacent to push these topics before. We’ve gotten into back and forths on this multiple times, and every time you’re provided a source that the western talking points you’re pushing are debunked, you repeat the State Dept propaganda verbatim.
True, I think .world does over do it a bit, but I think it’s more just because they’re such a large instance that bad moderation decisions are much more frequent
Unlike .ml, where the mods/admins methods push a clear narrative
Censorship I agree with is still censorship. I’m not a free speech absolutist but I realize that my views are not universal. For example, a Nazi would say I’m pushing the narrative that there is a single human race
Thank god you’re documenting the very important and widely censored speech like… checks links “we were gonna ban you anyway!!”.
Phew, this constructive dialogue will not go unheard by the people. Free speech is restored.
Locking while we sift through all the reports.
No stupid questions, right? What do they do?
Basically, Tankies are authoritarian bootlickers pretending not to be who routinely deny the human rights violations of the CCP/Russia and hold them up as the gold standard. They refuse to recognize China, Russia and even NK as being authortarian regimes or if they do, its OK/Neccessary because it takes down the west/capitalism. If you have a historical fact that puts any of those countries in a bad light, they’ll probably deny it happend/just western propganda.
Hex and Grad are very in your face about it, but .ml tends to be more subtle. So, many instances defed from those 2.
.ml is run by the head Lemmy devs who are, unfortunately, Tankies themselves and tend to enforce the Tankie mindset throughout with more subtlety through mod/admin action. Because of that, and a lot of the lemmy support forums being on .ml, they tend to get handled with “kid gloves” more or less by most instances.
You can check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works or !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com and https://lemmy.world/post/26416571 https://lemmy.world/post/26047186 if you want to see more.
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Thanks! TIL I have a tankie in my extended family lol. Whenever we’ve talked about Russia/Ukraine or really anything, the response is ‘but what about the dems!’. Its weird to have someone who’s educated and seems quite rational in most ways actually believe that the pre-trump US was worse than Russia, where you really can’t be a journalist without falling out of a window. Another of their favourite arguments is ‘stop imposing your western values onto other cultures who don’t want them’ SMH. Still, I’d choose a tankie over a MAGA.
Still, I’d choose a tankie over a MAGA.
Low bar, but yeah.
Huh, so they do exist IRL lmao, you got yourself a unicorn lolol most of us have only ever encountered them online (Knowingly at least)
They are more suble IRL but deff around.
What’s the Seal instance? 🤔
Don’t forget Blahaj.Zone as they’re awesome too! Here’s to having 10k folks🍻
Sorry. Not awesome. They are more ban happy than the tankies. I’m fairly sure I got banned for referring to a keyboard as a “bad boy”. Either that or somebody was playing ban roulette.
I got banned for calling someone naive when they said they were going to vote third party last year lmao
I have seen third party vote discussions get banned but never the other way around.
Interesting
Lmao what. Blahaj is just as bad as hexbear.
Touch grass nerd
there is nothing lemmy hates more than new lemmy users
wrong they hate the older ones.
I see new users being welcomed all the time.
Remember to donate to your server admin. Running a server is expensive, not to mention the time and effort that goes into maintenance
cmon we just want capitalism to die already 🥺
No, a lot of users, especially on Lemmygrad, support Russia and their invasion, for example. Hexbear supports China’s dictator. Most .ml I’ve interacted with are also on Russia’s side.
Don’t act like the only thing is anti-capitalism. That’d be fine. It’s everywhere on the fediverse. No, those instances stand apart for a reason, and you know that.
china is not a dictatorship. russia is better than the US.
russia is better than the US
Sorry, that’s just objectively wrong. Both are bad, but Russia is nowhere close to the us.
wtf are you talking about. does russia get anywhere CLOSE to this?
please scroll though that list and let it sink in on the absolutely cruel evil shit the US has been doing for the last century or so.
Oh yeah, the soviet union nevvvvvver involved themselves in coups. That’s something only evil westerners do.
(Please don’t looked at the history of Africa, or southern/southeat Asia during the cold war.
the soviet union has ended 30 years ago and its internationalist policies stopped way before that.
Trust me, I’ve been following this stuff as well. I am no fan of america, but saying its better than russia is just objectively bad.
America is way more democratic.
and i’m literally on the receiving end of US and european imperialism. the US sponsored a brutal military dictatorship in my country and on most of our neighbours, and still sponsors the plundering of our natural resources and workforce. shit, they tried to put a dictator in power in here recently, we barely escaped.
modern-day russia doesn’t have as much influence throughout the world, nor does it have as bloody military by a big margin.
What the U.S did was terrible, obviously. That should go without saying.
Although, I’m pretty sure Russia does have influence, with all the troll farms and whatnot.
china is not a dictatorship.
Dictator: one holding complete autocratic control.
Yeah, I think it is.
russia is better than the US.
Well, at least you’re admitting what I said is true. I could argue with you, but it doesn’t matter. The fact isn’t even if it’s better than the US. I never made a statement on that. Your people are apologists for Russia and defend it’s invasion of a sovereign nation. Can you agree with me that’s bad? No whataboutisms or anything. Just admit it is bad.
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by supporting capitalist regimes
Same, but I also think killing average working people for no reason makes you a bad person.
socialism = murdering innocent civilians is a propaganda trope. who would want that?
Same, I just don’t want it to be like the soviet union.
not many leftists (even marxist-leninists like myself) want things to be exactly like in the soviet union. firstly because conditions were different back then, secondly because they were the very first socialist experiment and made many mistakes despite their great advancements. theres also the fact that period was heavily propagandized to westerners, making for a biased view of what it was.
we learned a lot since then and socialism is supposed to be adapted to the will of the people and current material conditions. every socialist country does things differently. as a south american i personally like the latin american attempts and would love to see them grow uninmpeded by imperialism.
Do you have any links about the latin-american ones? Google isn’t giving me anything useful.
For starting to think about it: I think the chilean attempt by Salvador Allende was quite good, although he made the mistake of thinking the US wouldn’t be able to interfere, or rather he underestimated his challenges moving forward. I like the political system in modern-day Cuba and what theyve been able to achieve despite not having much, and sacrificing quite a bit for the revolution. Would love to see what they make of themselves without a blockade, but the comparison with Haiti is already striking as it is.
domestic terrorist vibes detected… proper authority has been notified, resistance is futile.
o no mr cop i swear im obeying
Lol bro most of us want capitalism to die, but not to just replace it with another authoritarian regime
Libertarian socialism
Capitalism cannot be killed by any political movement unwilling to repress Capitalists. Look at the state of Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism the world over, and how in every borgeois democracy it is losing ground to fascism, and either accept the truth or bury your head in the sand.
socialism is, by definition, more democratic than any capitalist regime because it can’t work if people don’t want it. it also provides an excellent framework for overthrowing capitalism.
if not that, then what do you want it replaced with?
This conversation is great.
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I agree with the dog. So I must like this right?
that just means you will be completely ineffective.
to falling to propoganda
… or snapping out of it. seriously, if you live in the US you have Hollywood right by your doorstep. take a moment to investigate leftism further than what their common sense is, and you will see its nothing like that. also note not i’m not saying its perfect either, but we are constantly learning.
the owner class engages in class warfare whether we decide to believe in it or not.
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anti communist
uses edgelord slurs
Not beating the reactionary allegations.
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Remember when I told you to keep it easy on the memes against .ml, hexbear and grad a few days ago? 😄
Fuck Tankies, all my homies Hate Tankies
I hate Illinois tankies.
It really has been weeks though js, and it was more thrown in, the thanks is genuine 😅LMAO
Would have probably been better with purely thanks and no diss attempt in the middle 😄
But that’s not the meme?
Could have put Spez or whoever else everyone here despise
So… You’re okay with the format and the insults, as long as it’s not against tankies?
Are lemmy.ml allies of Lemmy or not?
I respect the Lemmy devs as devs, I don’t like them as instance admins, but I don’t try to throw crap at time everytime I can.
Doesn’t prevent me from growing !linux@programming.dev , !privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com , !opensource@programming.dev
We can disagree without throwing each other under the bus
That’s a good point to make as much as I disagree with their political beliefs they do not deserve to have extra stress in their lives especially when they’re not being properly compensated for all the work they do as only 0.6/3 devs on the team are actually funded from donations, further worsened by the fact they need to split the funding amongst themselves.
I respect the Lemmy devs as devs, I don’t like them as instance admins, but I don’t try to throw crap at time everytime I can.
“Please don’t throw crap at people denying genocides and atrocities”
We can disagree without throwing each other under the bus
“Agree to disagree” is a civility politics take that has no place when dealing with genocide denial.
Would have been better if you stopped complaining.
Aggressive comment, in line with your modlog https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=870550
8 months ago and a year ago aren’t exactly recent examples
Plus one is complaining about the title being a word salad and the other one is a reply to a deleted comment. I may have been out of line, but I’m not going to own up to that without knowing the context.
Ex-Redditor reporting for duty. Thank-you for being a friend 🫡
Y’all need to work on getting r/popculture here - from Kardashian posts to getting SLAMMED for supporting Luigi is the journey we all need to be on.
Make yourself at home!
Welcome to Lemmy, here are a few pointers to help you settle in
Ty - subbed to both. Will look now.
Welcome!
We’ll go down the road and back again.
