• frunch@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    Blech. So tired of these people. They haven’t changed one iota, they still don’t stand for helping the common man by doing any of the basics that need addressing like cost-of-living increases, rising costs on everything while wages stagnate, etc. They are fully playing the good cop to the Republicans bad cop, the way it’s shaking out.

    Watching the way they’re treating Mamdani, it’s clear i don’t want whatever it is they’re cooking either. I really would love to see a 3rd party come to power by doing the most basic, almost laughably simple steps towards improving the lives of the common working voter, and just staying on task relentlessly. Not allowing the discussion to linger from what the real problems are (wage stagnation is an issue i think many working-class voters would get behind) and what they’re going to do about them, while relentlessly pressing the others to make their cases about those same topics. I’m tired of the deflections and personal attacks, i want fucking substance

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      I really would love to see a 3rd party come to power by doing the most basic, almost laughably simple steps towards improving the lives of the common working voter, and just staying on task relentlessly.

      THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE. YOU ARE ENCOURAGING THE WORST PEOPLE TO WIN BY CONTINUOUSLY PUSHING THIS POINT

      This is a winner takes all/first past the post system.

      It is impossible for so many reasons for your wish to come true.

      • The media and centralized social media is completely owned by right wing billionaires, making forming enough support for a new party to overtake an old one within any reasonable amount of time impossible.

      • Any side that breaks off into a new party with any level of success guarantees the other side wins for decades to come, and in this particular case, that other party is clearly fine breaking the law to stay in power, benefit their goals. You cannot afford to make this sacrifice, literally

      • The number of people sacrificed in this fruitless attempt, where it would be marginalized people sacrificed to idealism first, is completely unacceptable to any moral human being.

      The truth is that the real solution is one you don’t like because its boring, unfun and will have you supporting people you vehemently hate because its the pragmatic thing to do.

      What you need, and the only path to anything resembling victory, is changing the Democratic party slowly from within, brick by brick, over a long stretch of time.

      “But they’re fighting Mamdani, AOC, Bernie!!!”. Yeah, they are. That shows they got their foot in the door and there is a chance at change.

      “But they’re the same as XYZ”. No, they’re not. They’re not openly trying to murder marginalized people. It is childish to be this enraged to the point you can’t see nuance. They are absolutely center right neoliberals, but they are absolutely better than far right fascists.

      “But I don’t like them”. Yea, I don’t either, but I don’t like climate change, and yet it exists, and saudi arabia won’t stop pumping gas, beef producers wont slow down producing beef, and billionaires won’t stop dumping waste on use from private jets if we just ignore the slow boring solutions and just pretend that one day we’ll wake up and tell the meanies to stop, and they’ll stop.

      We literally cannot afford to be this naive. People are being seriously hurt over this.