A 13-year-old student was expelled from a Louisiana middle school after hitting a male classmate who she said created and shared a deepfake pornographic image of her, according to her family’s lawyers.
Wow…gotta love a future where you fuck around and the victim gets to find out instead of the offender
Why do the victims always get the short end of the stick in these cases?
Because theyre girls and are inherently sexual by gender, plus boys are a protected class
/S but i cant even tell if im joking or if this is just what it is now
Even a boy hitting a boy/girl who had been bullying them for months would be punished harsher than the one tormenting them.
The girl’s father makes it clear that “boys will be boys”.
“Honestly, I have no ill will towards that young man or his family. Kids are kids, and they do dumb things just like adults do. So, especially at that age, they don’t comprehend the severity of what they do,” Daniels said.
Especially not if there are zero consequences.
Americans seem to be too comfortable defending perverts.
If it was a realistic-looking image of a nude 13 year old, isn’t it child porn?
Sounds like the school and the sheriff’s office only started to investigate once the family got lawyers.
Technically speaking there is no such thing as child porn - it’s abuse material i.e. evidence of a crime. However, there has been no crime when the content is AI generated so it would be categorized as simulated abuse material.
Child porn as a term shouldn’t really be used at all. It downplays what said content actually is. It’s similar to calling female genital mutilation a “female circumcison”.
or male genital mutilation a “circumcision”
This is a false comparison. Circumcision has actual medical uses (e.g. phymosis, cancer, balanitis). FGM does not.
let’s go ahead and remove feet at birth too, might develop gout.
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Should put thr porndog in jail
Nice to see the sheriff took action, since the school doesn’t seem to give a damn.
charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence
The girl has been allowed back into school, only after a school board meeting voted to allow it; but ‘on probation’ and with the expulsion still on her record. The family is following up with a federal lawsuit because of that.
I’ll note she didn’t just hit him out of no where. She first reported it to school staff. They did nothing. She then tried to contact her dad and got told by school staff ‘parents don’t need to get involved’. The school then put her on the same bus as the offender, who showed off the image again to other students in front of her.
What else was she supposed to do. I’d have hit him too, and I’m almost 30.
On probation for what, defending herself? Fucking hell.
I’m all for violence when needed. It was not needed but certainly deserved.
Without getting all wrapped up in your beliefs, surely you can see how assaulting someone for showing pictures you don’t like, even if they depict you, is not self defence.
That’s following the same logic of Muslims attacking someone who drew the prophet being justified.
Him brashly showing naked pictures of her to people in front of her was sexual assault, meant to damage her mind/emotions/social connections.
Why are you only interested in the damage done to his body, and not the damage done to her life?
Why is her “option of last resort” use of violence not okay when ever other attempt failed to protect her? How else can she protect herself when literally everyone else refused to?
sexual assault
harassment?
use of violence not okay
not necessary or reasonable to stop an imminent threat of danger, but I think you know that
It’s child porn for fuck sake. The school did nothing and put her on the bus with him. What other option was she left with?
If it were my daughter I’d be proud of her.
What other option was she left with?
there were many like the press, lawsuit, higher authorities
I’d be proud of her
I’d be, too. Kid needed an ass beating & the authorities who failed here needed a comeuppance.
What else was she supposed to do.
Sue the school, get the police involved, go to the press, etc. The authorities in her life were failing.
If we were talking about adults, I might agree with you; but that’s a lot to ask of a 13 year old.
Perhaps she should have waited until she could get home and speak to her parents; but she did reach out to the adults responsible for taking care of her and was repeatedly turned away without a solution.
With that, I can’t really blame her for her actions here. I’d educate her on how to reach out further for help in the future, but I definitely wouldn’t punish her for this one.
but that’s a lot to ask of a 13 year old
Not for her parents, though.
While her actions are understandable, violent force without imminent danger is still difficult to justify. In practical terms, though, that kid needed a severe beatdown & the shitty administrators need to face consequences.
I taught middle school briefly. I had a student that was sexually harassing another one of my students. Using “[student’s name] GYATT” as a nickname in kahoots and shit. The student being harassed had also transferred in from being homeschooled all her life - no experience dealing with this kind of shit.
Admin refused to do anything. I rearranged my seating chart to put them as far away from each other as possible, but admin blew me off when I asked if the problem student could be transferred to another class. Nope! Left me on read.
It’s insidious in Oklahoma. I imagine it’s the same in Louisiana. They really do not care about sexual harassment. It’s the “good old boy” system, where they refuse to consider it as anything more than a minor issue.
Wow! WTF? Parents being involved seems the minimum. The way I see it, if the school took no action and the parents were intentionally not told, the kid got off easy without a full blown asswhoopin’.
Fuck that school, their behavior is what allows this kind of thing to continue and turns these asshole kids into asshole adults… and then we end up with modern day US.
Sounds like a great cause for a law suit to me (not protecting a student). And we all know how much Louisiana cares about that.
Every one of the school officials who knew and did nothing should be charged as accomplices.
I would think that all of the school officials could be brought up on charges of failing to report as mandatory reporters.
I would like to congratulate her on the new college fund after her parents sue the absolute shit out of the school.
Unfortunate for everyone else, but when a school says “parents don’t need to get involved” they’re doing something quite wrong
If im the dad in that scenario I’m catching assualt charges then sueing for child endangerment, fuck everyone involved from the school.
If I’m the dad, I’m lawyering up. This is going to be a very expensive lesson for the school
Yeah if it were me, bare minimum the boy’s parents are getting their dinner interrupted by a loud angry knock on their front door.
charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence
I’ll bet that has a penalty of like $1.25 total.
Back when I was in school, they would have expelled him and gave her a high five (and told her not to get caught doing it again).
Her brothers or cousins might very well pay him a visit also.
When I was a kid, the police would have arrested and charged the boy for CP even though he’s a kid too. This story is insane, it shows how much things have changed.
You elected a pedo for president and all his cronies!
Holy shit, that was me? I alone can decide the president? And I decided Trump? Holy fuck.
We found him! Right here! This guy!
Because it’s not real it cannot be CP legally. Which is why he is being charged on this lower count. I am sure the sheriff would love to give him more years if they could.
I never understood US schools “logic” when it comes to deal with violence.
Yeses, she should not have hit that asshole, but they should expell him, and maybe give her a day or two of detention.
The same level of logic where the bully is somehow not at fault for when the bullied finally stands up to them.
Not that I’d know from personal experience or anything growing up from how many times it was somehow my fault for retaliating.
As someone bullied a lot what I learned from them always punishing retaliation but not the action was to wait a day, be sneaky about it, then unleash all hell like youd never get another chance. If they’re gonna punish me for being in the right Im gonna earn it, so I went big. They never found the rock that was in my hand though so I guess it worked out.
Congratulations on your new flair!
punishing retaliation but not the action
I’m missing something. Are you suggesting that by retaliating outside the moment - attacking outta nowhere the next day - you were somehow punished differently? Perhaps less so?
What often happens in these cases, you’ll see, is that nothing is every done about the issue until the victim fights back. Then they usually both get punished equally.
The initial bullying is often completely ignored.
Teachers tend to treat one sided aggression (ie bullying) as an annoyance they must deal with, often daily, so it’s brushed off as par for the course. Once two parties are swinging it’s a fight, and since they’re already used to excusing bullying, it must be the retaliator who was wrong.
nope you got it.
Jeez Ender Wiggin
Dont get mad at him for doing it better.
0 tolerance = 0 thought
It’s punching people is bad mkay. No thinking about why they got punched. Just punch = suspension.
Yep. It is a very limited world view to only count physical brutality for these kinds of judgements.
This has always been my contention with this policy. It’s one thing to prohibit physical violence. It’s another thing entirely to create an environment where everyone escalates to verbal abuse (bullying) and other forms of assault, yet have no ‘zero tolerance’ policy for those things.
Punishing the victims should they dare to not stay quite is an honored tradition in schools and one that isn’tl limited to the US at all.
Rest of the world: Want to know why US schools have so many shootings? It’s not just the availability of weapons (though that’s the #1 factor).
Kids are taught from an early age that justice of any kind for their abusers inside school is never going to happen. Any action they take will likely result in expulsion—just like this girl—even for defending themselves.
With the microcosm of a social space that is school, what conclusion do you think kids will come to if they want justice? They don’t see any bigger picture than the tiny little place on Earth they’ve been legally obligated to be inside of until they turn 18.
And this situation is a stronger reason.
The girl has gone through every reasonable and righteous option she could of.
And the authority of all of those matters - failed her. So what was she left with? Punching the abuser. Now they’re all like “WHUH?! OH MY GOD! U CAN’T DO THAAAAAAAT!!” despite them practically IGNORING what was happening. What did they honestly expect? For her to own it?
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She should get a high five instead of detention.
That is my opinion, too.
Basically, it’s whoever creates a problem for the school. Bullying doesn’t make waves or headlines. Physically assaulting people does. Therefore, bullies don’t get punished, only people who hit back.
Seems to me a kid who’s essentially created child porn and distributed it at school would be a huge potential problem for the school.
Yeah, when I was a kid if a girl sent a naked photo to a boy and he distributed it, they could both get busted for CP, usually the boy would face a harsher punishment for distribution and the girl could negotiate something else. This image was created totally without the girl’s consent or knowledge, so the boy is the only one at fault
Right, potential problem. So they try to bury it to avoid it becoming an actual problem. The kid fighting back makes it an actual problem, so she gets suspended.
It’s a fucked up logic, but that’s their reasoning.
The logic is “precarity”. Everything can arbitrarily be taken away from you by a capricious system.
America is a shithole country.
I was a kid who got picked on and his ass beat a lot in the aftermath of Columbine. And I can speak from experience that basically every single guidance counselor and teacher’s marching orders were that I was much more terrifying and dangerous than the kids who cracked my ribs multiple times.
Part of it is that the culture of “boys will be boys” is still incredibly prevalent and transcends politics. Hell, look at how many “leftists” are glad to ignore platner being a nazi who worked for blackwater and blames the victims of sexual assault for being around soldiers?
But an ex who actually is a teacher explained this to me one night. A lot of the logic is that the bully is a lost cause who is probably going to suffer a LOT more if their parents have to come into school to talk to the principal about what their kid was doing. And… they are probably lost causes that schools just don’t have the resources to help. Whereas the kid getting bullied? They have a chance. So the kid who pantsed them in the cafeteria gets a slap on the wrist whereas they get a week of in school suspension for breaking that kid’s nose.
And then you combine that with standardized testing and funding and No Child Left Behind and the idea of expelling the young psychopaths only to get them back in a year because the “bad kid school” is full… yeah.
And I can see the same cold logic here. There is nothing the school can do about her being violated like this and the reality is that basically every girl in school is probably dealing with the same problems (they just might not know it). And there is nothing the school can do about the sick bastards who are doing this. But what they can do is say they have “zero tolerance” in the hopes of keeping everything from boiling over and just kind of hope she gets past her trauma somewhere else.
Ain’t the world massively fucked?
There is nothing the school can do about her being violated like this
Legal authorities? Expulsion?
Administrators are lazy & risk averse. If parents advocate for their kid by raising a significant enough threat to job security, then administrators will act.
I get it, but why punish the bullied person then? Let them off the hook as well. That doesn’t follow any logic.
Aside on the Platner thing, I don’t like the guy because he gives off some weird vibes. But I don’t think he’s a Nazi. He’s been pretty honest about his past, and I think we should learn to let people grow.
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Petition to strip big balls of his medal of freedom and give it to this girl who showed courage in the face of adversity and no tolerance for bullshit.
I would def. sign that petition.
I can’t think of a better use of my time than signing & spreading this petition.
I signed it. I’m going to see if I can sign it multiple times, lol. I hate that dude and I don’t even know him. All I know is that him getting his ass kicked by two 15 year olds from Maryland at 330am in this city while he was here doing incredibly shady shit is the direct reason that city I live in has been absolutely locked down by the National Guard, ICE, DEA, FBI, DHS, etc. for months now and it’s showing no signs of ending. Fuck that dude.
Zero tolerance policy is a fucking joke.
Especially considering sexual harassment gets complete tolerance
Fine, let her be expelled to be free of those jackoffs, but put him in jail for creating and distributing child pornography.
Oh wait, our system is too screwed up for that.
It’s not justice to sacrifice children on the altar of moral outrage. They are both children. One of whom needs serious repercussions to help them learn a valuable lesson that unfortunately doesn’t come easy to everyone.
I’m sorry, but my perspective is that a child who goes that far over the line needs to be punished and made an example. Then again, I’m not in a mood to be kind toward any variety of child pornographer.
And in this case, as I said, I see the expulsion as freeing her from their clutches.
The kid was likely 13. He should face consequences, but a 13 year old doesn’t have the mental development to understand the horrific repercussions for something like that. Throwing a 13 year old in juvenile detention for something like this won’t do him any good. Mandatory community service and probation are much more appropriate
Sure, let’s take a messed up kid, who had no choice in how they were raised, with almost no worldly experience, who’s brain isn’t even fully developed yet, and throw them into a costly system almost guaranteed to turn them into a repeat offender.
I’d rather see people bitch about a lax system and see more reformed criminals than feel the short term thrill of retaliation.
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I’m not going to validate my right to be compassionate by proving I’ve known shit people and had shit experiences.
More to the point, I believe you’re referring to sociopathy and psychopathy when you talk about a lack of empathy, but that’s old science. Newer research shows improvement, especially with early intervention, in treatment of antisocial personality disorders. Psychiatric treatment of comorbities shows overall improvement in symptoms. And, recent studies on ASPD in neuroscience reveal that cognitive empathy isn’t a sliding scale, it’s a gamut, and it’s not even consistent within an individual. So IF someone has ASPD and we’re not just going to kill them, the best option is still evidence-based care.
It’s difficult to diagnose cognitive empathy disorders at a young age, but it’s possible the kid has a conduct disorder — which, along with ASPD, almost certainly has genetic groundwork but is strongly tied to early cognitive development (how he was raised,) and family history.
Regardless of what he has or where he came from, restorative justice is still more effective across the board socially and economically. I think of the worst people I’ve ever known when I consider my view of justice, and I still believe in restorative measures. I’m not only compassionate because I have empathy, but because evidence shows corporal punishment increases recidivism, exacerbates and often causes mental health disorders, and is ultimately an expensive monolith to an outdated belief in justice that isn’t based in fact.
Do I want every lying, cheating, violent piece of shit to face justice? Hell yeah I do. But I want that justice to be JUST and actually fix society instead of taking the bad and making them worse.
We don’t ‘punish and make an example’ out of children in civilized society.
We educate them, allow for reform. Until the child has a mostly formed prefrontal cortex, they shouldn’t receive ‘adult’ type consequences. They literally are not developed enough mentally to grasp all of life’s rights and wrongs. That’s not to say they don’t have a gauge of morality, or some concept of what they think Right is, it’s just not all the way fleshed out and their poor stupid neuron-developing brain doesn’t fire the way it’s going to later in life.
My experience has been that once CSAM gets into a guy’s head, at any age, it never leaves. That’s what needs to be stopped.
Yes they need to be punished. This is absolutely a serious crime. But kids make mistakes. We didn’t evolve to put this kind of power in the hands of children.
Not the juvie hall, then adult prison, sex offender registry fucked for life kinda punishment.
Like 5 years community service. Court mandated therapy from a psychologist to imprint upon them the serious nature of their error and direct the child to more appropriate behaviours while also evaluating that the kid isn’t just in the early stages of a blooming adult freakshow. He needs to understand himself and why they did it, what they thought was going to happen. Empathy and foresight skills development.
Zero tolerance strikes again…
Seems very on-brand for Louisiana.
School should be sued for psychological trauma to the girl and made a public example of. Whole executive level employees and the board should be completely fired.
it’s amusing seeing users in this comment section pretend as if she engaged in any sort of wrongdoing
I would be proud her if I was her father, but I also would have retained a lawyer to sue the kid and his family.
It’s so messed up that the father disavowed her in the article. He failed her too. Maybe he should have been the one responsible for this beat down, that’s how it would have gone when I was in elementary. This generation is fucked.
