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I find that trashing on all of Lemmy development and lemmy.ml from nutomic’s one questionable stance to be a little idiotic, but that’s just my opinion. Those things are the work of more than just one person. Dessalines is a heavy lifter in moderation and development, and they’re pretty decent. Various contributors have provided code/features, translations, apps and interfaces to Lemmy. Moderators of all server types have their own opinions on stuff.
But to an extent we all have to put that aside, because face it, perfectly sanitized opinions have nothing to do with code quality. We all have a couple shitty opinions, but what makes someone a decent human being and not a bigot is recognizing where their actions and opinions cause harm unto others and try to minimize that. This harm reduction can include changing actions and opinions, but it can also be keeping harmful actions and opinions away from people it would harm. This is where Ada probably sees banning nutomic from the instance as sufficient rather than all of .ml
Yeah, the whole China/Russia can do no wrong sort of thing is a pervasive problem on Lemmy.ml, but likewise they keep moderation of that to within the confines of their instance. The running costs of a server are virtually nothing compared to cost of working full-time to maintain software, so most donations don’t really go to hosting the .ml server itself but rather to development. I don’t personally agree with the .ml admins on many things, but I’ll defend them for allowing others to run online communities how they want in return for letting every one of us do the same. I’ve likewise defended Ada’s decisions on how they want to root out transphobia from their server, that’s their choice, and so far it seems to have served Blahaj users well.
From what I understand the transphobic comment from nutomic was from a publicized DM. So it’s a stretch, in that sense, to seek defederating an instance over it, as the ban is justified to begin with.
People shouldn’t send transphobic nonsense in private messages either
Your entire opinion is null and void when you don’t even get the nuances of why they would even start to express their support for Russia in the Ukrainian war, you just assume they like totalitarianism, incredible attitude
Personally the sooner we rip off that bandaid, the better. .ml is far from the only activity pub project out there, but they are absolutely one of the most toxic forces on the fediverse and seriously harm the on boarding experience for new users. Nutomic is a bigot and a liar and Dessalines is a cringe keyboard warrior and nobody would put up with them if they weren’t writing code. But if Lemmy is no longer the only mature option for federated social media, why should we continue to tolerate their shit?
Yeah fuck them lol. I’d like to see how their platform does without users. Then it’ll just be a fun little coding project for them, nothing more. There’s already other options. At least Piefed is actively working on adding missing features and improving the end user experience. And isn’t stuck in 1999.
It’s very cool that they built this platform and much appreciated. But if they’re then going to turn around and act like trans people shouldn’t be concerned about transphobia if it comes from one of their own, because we should all be grateful and thankful to our overlords instead, then they can shove their fkn half baked platform.
I think this is an inconsistent move from the Blahaj team. They defederated feddit over one transphobic user who the admins wouldn’t deal with. And I agree with that decision. They should make the same decision here. If lemmy.ml won’t ban Nutomic, then it’s clear they aren’t interested in creating a safe environment for trans people.
Regardless of any funding question, I think every instance should be questioning federation with .ml over their acceptance of Nutomic. And that goes double for any instance committed to inclusivity, because they have a responsibility to their users to uphold the values those users expect.
I can definitely understand how this may seem as an inconsistency on Ada’s part. I’ve been critical of Ada in the past, but I see this as more of Ada taking a calculated, diplomatic approach.
With the Feddit situation, Feddit is just another random Lemmy instance, so there’s no real loss in defederating. But ML is where Lemmy development is centered, and whether Blahaj users like it or not, they do have an intrinsic interest in the development of Lemmy’s code. They want Blahaj to be a safe space, which requires moderation tools to be developed, and it’s helpful to keep an open connection with the developers in that case so that Blahaj’s input and contributions can be considered when these tools are built.
At least, that’s just my speculation as to why there’s an inconsistency.
Feddit.uk was defederated because they did not address transphobia on their instance and stopped responding when I asked for clarification of how they will handle similar incidents in the future in light of the transphobic legislation introduced in the UK. If it becomes clear they are acting on transphobia, we will refederate.
lemmy.ml does act on transphobia and despite their admins comments in DM, I have seen no indication that transphobic posts are allowed to remain on their instance from admins or users. If it becomes clear they’re not acting on transphobia, we will defederate. Either way, Nutomic will remain banned.
Which is to say, neither scenario is really contingent on the actions of an individual, rather they’re contingent on how the admins respond to transphobia.
I don’t think it’s inconsistent. My understanding is that the bad comments were in private messages and although they don’t disown then or apologise for their views, they are not making transphobic comments in threads.
In the feddit case, transphobia discourse was active and unmoderated. I have no doubt that if that was the case for .ml, then blahaj would defederate.
There is no point in federation of you defederate from every instance with bad users. Ban the user, not the instance. In the case of an instance not moderating hateful content, ban the instance.
Blahaj is a shit place, so no surprise. You can support the biggest warmongers and dictators on planet earth, but as long as you dont’t have some mild criticism of the lgbtq community, you’re good to go.
Pathetic instance with a really fucked up moral compass.
Drag got banned for sharing a message in which the admin promised to stop harassment. Drag thought the admin had kept the promise and was showing proof of it. But in fact, the admin had broken the promise, and banned drag, because she thought drag was trying to call her a liar.
Wouldn’t have happened if the admin had just stopped the harassment.
Perfect username x)
Seems like you’re infamous for some reason
Yeah, it’s for using person independent pronouns. The term “grammar Nazi” gets a little bit more literal with some of these transphobes. They think their misunderstandings of the rules of grammar are more important than drag’s gender.
what
Ada makes the wrong decisions literally every time she has a moderation choice.
A coin would have a better track record.
She frequently gives in to trolls over users and bans anyone who dares criticize her
I can’t beleive I used to want to participate in that space.
Yeah, one time she banned drag for pointing out she broke a promise, and drag didn’t even mean to! Drag thought she kept the promise and was telling a harasser they’d been told to cut it out. Turns out she didn’t, and banned drag for making her look bad. You’re right, wrong decision every time.
Good to see you’re still around, Drag. Hope you’re doing well!
You joke and stuff, but the fact remains that Ada is ok with the support for russian genocidal imperialism among tankie instances (Grad, ML, hexbear) and even has no issues with russia’s brutality against their LGBT community.
Theatrics about “TERF island” are clearly a much bigger priority than actual abuse of LGBT folks (and cis folks for that matter) at the hands of the russians.
For real if they support the russians they belong in camps. The russians are the most wrong thing in the world.
reddit ass comment
We found a connoisseur of russian culture. Well let’s hope the russians introduce such a connoisseur as yourself to their fascinating use of champagne bottles.
Drag isn’t joking. Drag’s ban was the result of a very serious debate about best practice for talking people down from suicide. Drag did so in a way some users disagreed with, and there was a very clear harassment campaign from one user. Ada didn’t shut it down because she agreed with that user’s take. Blahaj isn’t a safe place even for trans people within the community if the admin decides they’re not worth protecting. Drag believed Blahaj’s messages of being a safe space, and got banned very specifically for believing in Ada. Blahaj fails members of its own community, and punishes them for expecting better.
I love drag <3 Drag is great
Seems like Blahaj has no issue with ML supporting russian genocidal imperialism and the way russia treats LGBT folks. It seems their concern about trans folks rights doesn’t include Ukrainian trans folks (and Ukrainian LGBT folks more broadly) who were forced to leave the territories occupied by russia.
Compare that to the decision to defederate over a single post (that explicitly stated that everyone should be treated equally and not discriminated against) on feddit.uk.
For some reason the term orientalism comes to mind.
