I mean we can obviously see that things are far better in Crimea than anywhere in Ukraine right now. This isn’t even debatable. Comparing Russia to the absurd levels of corruption in Ukraine is not a serious argument to make.
Russia has been extremely corrupt for decades. Whatever weird made up world you are living in, come on back to reality. Even if Ukraine was the most corrupt country ever, bombing the shit out of the citizens is not the way you help. That’s just murder. Even if things are somehow better in Crimea, you’re comparing to a country being bombed by a larger country with more weapons and fighters. Crimea should not have been stolen in the first place. Help your neighbors, don’t hypocritically murder their people.
Russia is clearly nowhere near as corrupt as Ukraine given that Russia is actually able to run a functioning economy and a military. In fact, there’s strong evidence to suggest that NATO is far more corrupt than Russia is given that Russia is single handedly outproducing all of the west militarily right now. Meanwhile, before yapping about Crimea, you might want to go read a history book for once in your life.
I know the history, that doesnt excuse invading them at this point. Neither is what one.corrupt country sees as corrupt in another. Your arguments hold no weight. Nothing you said justifies murdering people in a neighboring country.
Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland MadeAssistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in UkraineFormer Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
I’d like to add on that there is literal footage of Ukrainian troops firing into crowds of civilians in Mariupol and Krasnoarmeysk back in 2014, both after Maidan Coup.
There is also footage of Ukrainian Nazis carrying out a pogrom against the Romani in 2018.
Sorry can you point out the exact points in those that justify the murdering a bombing of people in a foreign nation? 2014 especially was a pretty messed up time, by I’m not sure I follow you as to what justification for murdering and bombing them is. Especially with new leadership. Please explain the murdering a bombing.
George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev HeardDeclassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
Zelensky was a comedian groomed by oligarchs. He played a president on TV and then ran for president on TV. This was planned out in advance. Zelensky has never been in control because he was an actor in way over his head, beholden to US comprador oligarchs, and his life is openly threatened by high-level Banderite fascists should he get out of line. And he’s quite wealthy now, an oligarch in his own right. He’s in no way a “servant of the people;” that’s an act played by an actor.
So Russia being as large and Powerful as they supposedly are can’t perform diplomacy and has to murder and bomb people? I’m still not hearing any reason that Russia should be murdering people.
I don’t know man. This crap gives such ammunition to the “both sides are corrupt” argument.
Do we really believe things in Ukraine would be better or even the same under Putin? What are we even talking about here?
I mean we can obviously see that things are far better in Crimea than anywhere in Ukraine right now. This isn’t even debatable. Comparing Russia to the absurd levels of corruption in Ukraine is not a serious argument to make.
Can we tho?
You’re so far off reality I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic.
I am shocked at how many liberals genuinely cannot seem to tell the difference between wanting something to be true and it actually being true.
The reality is that people in Crimea aren’t being grabbed off the streets and gang pressed into fighting.
Russia has been extremely corrupt for decades. Whatever weird made up world you are living in, come on back to reality. Even if Ukraine was the most corrupt country ever, bombing the shit out of the citizens is not the way you help. That’s just murder. Even if things are somehow better in Crimea, you’re comparing to a country being bombed by a larger country with more weapons and fighters. Crimea should not have been stolen in the first place. Help your neighbors, don’t hypocritically murder their people.
I don’t know, they sure tried it in the eastern part of the country for 10 years
Russia is clearly nowhere near as corrupt as Ukraine given that Russia is actually able to run a functioning economy and a military. In fact, there’s strong evidence to suggest that NATO is far more corrupt than Russia is given that Russia is single handedly outproducing all of the west militarily right now. Meanwhile, before yapping about Crimea, you might want to go read a history book for once in your life.
I know the history, that doesnt excuse invading them at this point. Neither is what one.corrupt country sees as corrupt in another. Your arguments hold no weight. Nothing you said justifies murdering people in a neighboring country.
Evidently, you’re fine with a western backed regime murdering its own people though.
Nothing justifies Ukraine murdering its own people in its own country for the eight years before this war started.
That is not even the end of it.
I’d like to add on that there is literal footage of Ukrainian troops firing into crowds of civilians in Mariupol and Krasnoarmeysk back in 2014, both after Maidan Coup.
There is also footage of Ukrainian Nazis carrying out a pogrom against the Romani in 2018.
Sorry can you point out the exact points in those that justify the murdering a bombing of people in a foreign nation? 2014 especially was a pretty messed up time, by I’m not sure I follow you as to what justification for murdering and bombing them is. Especially with new leadership. Please explain the murdering a bombing.
NATO expansion:
NATO in general:
Zelensky was a comedian groomed by oligarchs. He played a president on TV and then ran for president on TV. This was planned out in advance. Zelensky has never been in control because he was an actor in way over his head, beholden to US comprador oligarchs, and his life is openly threatened by high-level Banderite fascists should he get out of line. And he’s quite wealthy now, an oligarch in his own right. He’s in no way a “servant of the people;” that’s an act played by an actor.
So Russia being as large and Powerful as they supposedly are can’t perform diplomacy and has to murder and bomb people? I’m still not hearing any reason that Russia should be murdering people.