You mean when you get called out for trying to either pass opinions as fact or simply saying untrue things?

They ship a runtime for the games, but the Steam Client regularly breaks or has (sometimes minor, but still) problems. The post literally is about this very thing. Steam recently also broke with a glibc upgrade on several distros and flatpak wasn’t affected.

And yet thats less about “fundamental issues with Linux” and more about the pros and cons of different approaches to software.

Using a flatpak.apiimages are great options for people and I wholeheartedly support their promotion and development. That said its not a drop in replacement and people to have to make certain considerations and acknowledgements such as permissions and performance loss which can be zero or in the worst case for some up to 20%.

That, and you’re acting like Windows has never had platform breaking updates before so its not even a “Linux” problem.

My point is that each distro shipping their archaic package manager and packaging the entire world is not sustainable,

You say “each distro” like every distro uses apt.

I would love for you to explain how DNF is archaic. Its not like Windows still using code from NT workstation and running a file system from 1993.

causes inconsistencies between distros and makes software developers shy away from distributing software for Linux.

Lol, this is just a copy pasta bad faith argument. They can just literally choose to package and use the libraries they need that may be effected. If you claim this is magically TOO MUCH then you just argued against Windows and Mac as well.

Another exmpale is DaVinci Resolve, that shit constantly breaks on Arch from what I’ve heard.

Oh I just love that. “from what I’ve heard”. Very scientific. Thats not really a thing. Sure DaVinci wants you to be on Fedora or REHL but theres a work around for its check. Thats it. Hell you don’t even have to use the AMDPRO driver for gaming to use it for DaVinci.

Plus maybe the outdated take on Arch’s stability should be shelved in favor of reality. Sure it was unstable back in the day, and so was Ubuntu and other distros to an extent. But Arch, even with occasional hiccups is pretty solid.

And if Windows is “stable” Then Arch is almost unbreakable by that standard.

The rest I feel ist not worth responding to.

Sure thing buddy. Just remember for next time, throwing out emotion and stating it as fact doesn’t get you far in a tech sub.

Nothing’s complaining about Wayland here.

Well maybe xeyes, he won’t even so much as look at a wayland window.

I just launch blizzard as a steam game. Easier for me to skip the scripts.

Arch guy here, I actually upvoted him.

Used (and abused) Mint for over 10 years, never had a kernel panic.

Well actually, out of my personal machines, friends and families machines, and the 100,000s of servers I’ve set up/ maintained over almost 2 decades I’ve never had a kernel panic.

All these issues boil down to the fundamental problems of linux.

Fragmentation, especially when it comes to application distribution. The classic package managers might work well for foss, but not for complex and proprietary crap like Steam and games.

You say that but ironically games and proprietary software are more likely to package more of the needed libraries with them. Steam being a Literal example of that. Ironic.

If there will ever be a proper solution to the problem, so people can reliably click on “Install Steam” and just have it work then there’s no need for a gaming distribution

I wouldn’t say we NEED a gaming distro but they literally automate extra work for the gaming crowd.

You don’t see people crying for help to install Steam on Windows.

Oh but I see them crying about so much more.

What i think we don’t need is yet another Arch or Debian based distro that installs some packages and configures some basic stuff, that’s ran by like 2 people and disappears in a year or two.

Right, because that is totally happening all the time and is a real problem the community at large faces.

Meanwhile in reality land thats not really an issue.

That should either be made trivial in the “upstream” distro or be a setup script on diy systems like Arch.

And as long as they aren’t doing that then they’ll be a market for “gaming” distros.

Please stop making distros, it’s not like we already 100s of them that solve nothing and just confuse people.

No, they don’t really confuse people (aside from morons recommending Manjaro). When people ask or even research theres like 4~ 8 distros tops that popup for gaming.

Sure, i see things like Garuda being useful for now, but it’s a band aid fix for the real problems.

If it fits it ships.

Developer / Sysadmin here… I use Nobara because of familiarity with Fedora based systems and ease of setup for my rig (nvidia gpu…). Just makes life simple, and if I do need to go under the hood, I am familiar with what I see.

Lol, funnily enough I do IT contracting work for the government and mostly build servers and while I game on Garuda I have Nobara on my laptop for Fedoras solid base and extras if I wanna dick around and play Halo some where (sadly can’t on most sites or our main site as no personal devices allowed past a certain point).

So, imma ask the copy pasta. Can I get a Fastfetch list and whether you’re steam native vs runtime?

That depends alot on Nvidia, always has.

Gaming distros are only a meme if you think you’ll get more FPS.

Many of them do provide a simplified experience for “gamers” as despite the stereo type they aren’t very tech savvy.

Garuda for example starts you off with a set of software choices with explanations and one click installs on setup. It also has its own “garuda-update” script that takes even more work off the user, an example being when Arch had that grub issue most garuda users didn’t as the script reinstalls grub when there’s an update.

Try and tell me a “gamer” isn’t going to have an easier time on Garuda or Nobara compared to things like vanilla Arch, Fedora, Mint, Debian, Ubuntu, etc.

No they aren’t magic but what they do is take things we can do our selves and automate that for those who can’t.

I run Nvidia hardware/drivers, therefore all OGL/Vulkan libraries are included as part of Nvidia’s driver package, therefore there really isn’t any pressing need to run the very latest kernel.

There is if you need newer kernels to support newer features is is regularly the case.

Furthermore, LTS releases are the only desktop Linux operating systems officially supported by Steam

Yeah… I’m not really sure what you think this means.

Valve does this to simply have a standard to build against. Thats it.

Steam doesn’t magically stop working when not on Ubuntu LTS nor has Valve EVER turned anyone away from support for running a non Ubuntu/LTS distro.

LTS releases still receive kernel updates every second point release.

Cool, so by your logic I’d only have to wait 1 year for my 4TB NVME to work instead of using it right now like I am.

Furthermore, this PC is also my work PC, I perform the daily running of my business from this PC. Stability is important,

Yeah, which Linux already provides. Hell Arch is more stable than Windows is by a long shot and its the “fast an loose” distro. Adding more stability on top doesn’t require an LTS kernel.

That and you claiming you need more stability is meaningless at best and you trying to project you’re self on to others at worst.

and I have absolutely no problems gaming on this device

And you’ll also not have any newer benefits either.

In fact: While Arch users were complaining recently that Valve native titles were failing to launch via Steam under Arch based distro’s, I was happily playing Valve native titles just fine.

Fun fact, running an arch distro right now and also never had that issue so not as magical and universal like you are suggesting but also people solved it with a launch option. Even for the people it happened too it seems like a decent trade so they can play games that run poorly otherwise.

Again, it makes it really clear that its not much of an issue when you are forced to create an alternate reality where it is one.

Marginally? No, people over estimate 4k needs on modest settings while forgetting that playing at 1080p gives you quite a bit of elbow room.

RT is a clown show for any config today.

That said, I just tested doom eternal maxed 1440p with RT FSR performance (not gonna lie this game scales well) and was getting 220~300fps depending on the scene even with observed recording at 240fps 60MBs native res on my 7900xt.

RT was the limiting factor by far though.

Once again, I’m just waiting for the downvotes because I didn’t join the AMD echo chamber.

No the downvotes are because of you creating a fictitious reality in order to make a point. If you need an unrealistic requirement to be portrayed as a fact of Linux in order for your argument to even exist then its a bad faith argument.

Bearing in mind that should you be running an LTS release,

Why? Thats the most arbitrary claim ever. Gaming machines be it Windows or Linux will NEVER be as stable as production machines and thy aren’t expected to be as it is a known fact you should be updating to keep up with gaming benefits patches provide.

Not to mention even bleeding edge distros like Arch are still significantly more stable than Windows.\

If you are gaming you don’t need an LTS kernel and if you NEED and LTS kernel you aren’t gaming on that machine, you are simply trying to fabricate a nonresistant con.

Otherwise, it’s philosophical differences (closed vs open source) and performance issues (for both manufacturers) that are mostly on an application-by-application basis rather than general.

This is objectively not true. The open sourced AMD drivers have allowed the 6700xt to climb enough in performance to take on the 3080 in many titles.

Maybe instead of expressing your feelings you could use real world data.