Okay, but, even ruled an accident, why is this guy not up for manslaughter charges? Do I grossly misunderstand what manslaughter is?
This is definitely some smoking gun tier bullshit, but even given every benefit of the doubt in the world, the negligence has to be criminal.
It’s a small town. He’s probably buddies with all the cops and DAs. That shit is super common.
Lots of countries have small towns, where that doesn’t mean it’s fine to shoot a daughter. It’s an international scandal now, so it’s not like they managed to keep it quiet. Everyone, everywhere, can see the disfunction.
It’s not like it matters. Being international news isn’t going to suddenly make the good ol boys do the right thing.
But the folks above those good ol boys suddenly have a spot light on them, so feel pressured to do the right thing. They get ask by those above them why are they failing.
I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one.
Lots of eyes actually do have a way of getting these kinds of cases.the attention they need; remember Ahmaud Arbery? Good ol’ boys walked away uncharged until a local news report went viral 2 months later.
they really don’t care, man. talk to some boomers sometimes they desperately need to be forced into retirement and group homes.
Get your ageist nonsense out of here. Old people make good and bad decisions, just like everyone does.
While true, lead exposure is strongly correlated with age.
Yet again we see that for country that is insanely in love with guns, they have no idea how to handle guns safely.
I will recap the basics of gun safety for the folks in the back:
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Don’t pick up a gun unless you are going to use it and know how to use it safely.
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The gun is loaded, on a hair trigger and the safety is off.
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Do not point the gun at anything you don’t intend to kill or destroy.
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Finger out of the trigger guard.
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THE GUN IS FUCKING LOADED.
Yeah that’s how you know he killed her on purpose
It’s so strange to me, the people that the public will hold accountable and the people who get a pass
Sometimes if I’m facing the wrong way in line at the grocery store or if I get randomly distracted by something, an old person or a woman will accost me, literally screaming and crying, complete with snot bubbles, because I’ve made some kind of basic and understandable error. I pressed the wrong button, I didn’t see someone in line so I cut in front of them, I forgot to hold the elevator door.
This guy shoots his daughter and people are saying ridiculous shit, assuming that he’s stupid or assuming that he’s going to snap out of it one day. He can’t just be a murderer. People are frothing at the mouth to make excuses for people like this.
To them, they didn’t so much “kill” her, they “cured her terminal TDS”.
What’s really scary is that I’m sure that this “father” isn’t the only one who thinks this way. I worry that there’s a lot of other “fathers” that would hurt their own flesh and blood because they differ politically. This is the reach of that child-fuckers cult.
Edit to add, from the article:
Although a jury declined to indict Kris and he faced no charges in relation to his daughter’s death
Well there it is. White dude in Texas shoots his daughter over TDS, and a"Jury of his peers" looks the other way.
Well that and the Father saying he wouldn’t feel bad if something terrible happened to her because he has two better behaved daughters.
Unfortunately I’ve heard statements like this before.
Beware of the R word.
Why not ‘regulate’? Ah yes freedom.
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“As I lifted the gun to show her I suddenly heard a loud bang,” Kris allegedly said. “I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell.” WTF!!! It proves he pointed the gun at his daughter, which is a big fucking NO NO! Worse yet, the damn thing was locked and loaded. Fuck him, charge him with murder.
There’s no excuse for it to not be murder, but the fact its not even manslaughter is a message.
This is just an excuse, dude murdered his daughter and is trying to blame it on the gun. Guns don’t load themselves, and they don’t magically go off…
Remember, guns don’t kill people, people kill people
And sadly, the highest percentage is within a family.
Where I live, in Europe, you CAN own firearms. Long guns pretty easily, as they are considered hunting/sporting guns, including semi-auto assault rifles, albeit, with 3 round magazines. Buying or even 3D printing larger ones is trivial, but it’s a felony to have one near the gun (same range/car/house…).
Long gun licenses require a medical, which includes a basic psych eval.
Handguns require a stricter medical, with a more detailed psych eval, and a course which includes gun safety, and legislation, among other things.
Except for some rare exceptions (jewelers, judges, and other people that can objectively be considered a target for assault or retaliation) you cannot carry, open or otherwise, except to go to a range, or hunting ground, and the gun and munitions must be separated; guns in a case in the trunk, with the magazine and munitions in the front of the car.
I don’t get why there isn’t a reasonable license for guns in the US. There is for cars, no?
Because freedumb
Why have I never seen this before. What a great homonym.
From 1999. Not considered a “classic” ST album but still shreds hard.
“reasonable license for cars” lol no. I mean we need a license to drive, but it’s so stupidly easy in so many places and you can fail so many times and still get it. We basically test if the person has a pulse before letting them drive. And based on the driving changes I’ve seen since covid I’m thinking even the pulse has become optional
Interesting. Here the license has gotten steadily harder to get. I’m sure there are connections: drivers schools, traffic authority, grift, etc, but the fact is that it’s a bit of a hurdle for many.
I’m gonna guess there’s no significant hurdle to getting a psych eval in your European country. No expensive medical bill, no worrying about time off from work to get it.
We hyperfocussed so much on that “shall not be infringed” part that we managed to give up our health and the best 40 years of our lives to the machine.
Also assuming that mental health care even exists in your state…. Oklahoma doesn’t even have providers to get that expensive evaluation from…
Prices for these types of exams are fixed, and not particularly expensive. You aren’t getting therapy, you are being screened for obvious things. Usually less than 30 min. That time does let you find the glaring stuff.
Exactly this. I was taught not to point a gun at anything I don’t intend to destroy, even if I believe it not to be loaded.
Anything less than that is negligent manslaughter at the least if the gun ‘goes off’ ‘by accident’, because you should never be in that situation.
Nevermind that’s all emotional BS.
He did it intentionally not on accident. They’re trusting the murderer in the m urder case.
“To shoot her through the chest whilst she was standing would have required him to have been pointing the gun at his daughter, without checking for bullets, and pulling the trigger,” the coroner said. “I find these actions to be reckless.”
Whoopsies! I usually make sure not to pull the trigger when casually pointing a loaded gun at a family member’s chest. But that’s just me being overly cautious.
I am baffled at how this doesn’t constitute premeditated murder. They had some argument and then guy’s like “know what? I know what I’m gonna do.” And did it. What freaking horror.
You missed the part where the guy said he didn’t mean to do that and he’s sorry.
“Jesus says to forgive…”
Yeah, well, Jesus will render unto you what is Jesus’ forgiveness. Until then, Caesar will render unto you a prison sentence.
That is the crux of Christianity and the crutch of Christian morality.
I just accidentally beat my daughter to death. The bat just went off on it’s own. I was just showing her the bat then all of a sudden she was bludgeoned to death. I have no idea what happened!
not your fault. she was probably just too observant
Obviously a SIG baseball bat.
Well glocks don’t have safeties and require you to pull the trigger to disassemble. Negligent discharges when trying to show them off to people absolutely do happen, and with how you have to hold the gun to take it apart the “don’t point at anything you don’t wish to shoot” rule gets overlooked a lot.
They’re the default “modern” handgun but I’ve always said they are a terrible design.
Finally, a fellow Glock hater!
Two things that should be completely unacceptable in a modern firearm:
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Having no safety mechanism whatsoever. (Trigger dingus doesn’t count.)
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Requiring a trigger pull (or even putting your finger inside the trigger guard) for any other reason than intending to fire a shot.
And there are so many excellent modern pistols out there that don’t break these two rules. Pistols that do everything a Glock can do, but without these glaring safety issues. So why is the Glock still the ‘default’ choice? It’s especially egregious to see it as a recommendation to novice shooters. Dealing with these safety issues should require an expert. Putting a gun with these issues into the hands of a new shooter is just asking for trouble.
A safety exists to prevent human error. Not touching the trigger doesn’t solve this.
The primary argument of “you might forget to disengage it in the heat of the moment” is complete bullshit. If you can’t reliably disengage a safety you can’t reliably not pull the trigger during a draw, shooting yourself in the femoral artery or hand. Either you practice your draw until it’s muscle memory or you don’t, removing safety features to simplify the process doesn’t make you safer.
The primary argument of “you might forget to disengage it in the heat of the moment” is complete bullshit.
Even if you are in that (rather misguided) camp, there are better alternatives. Specifically, a grip safety. Safety automatically disengaged as long as you’re holding the gun properly. Can’t ‘forget’ to do that!
And, yes, there are good, modern designs that use grip safeties. The Springfield XD line, for example. (Those models also require a trigger pull for disassembly, though. Is it that hard to include some kind of decocker?)
I’m a fan of grip safeties but I still want some form of manual switch I can use to render the gun safe. I honestly think that the FN Five seveN is the best solution but standard 1911 thumb safety (or an HK version with decocker) does the job just fine.
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Oscar Pistorius was charged and convicted.
This case exposes USA as a bigger shit-hole than fucking South Africa. That is really saying something!
Texas is a shithole.
Guns have more rights than women in this country.
I’ve been rewatching Bojack Horseman, and there’s an episode where Diane convinces the state to pass common-sense gun legislation by making it “in” for women to carry guns. The eventually leads to the line, “I can’t believe this country hates women more than it loves guns,” to which the character with her replies, “really?”
I think that moment is, unfortunately, rather poignant.
Basically Reagan (when he was governor of California) vs the black Panthers
Almost, she becomes a fan of guns after trying one and then women across the country all get guns to protect themselves from men. Men freak out and ban all guns in the US. But still one of my favorite lines.
guns don’t kill people, women kill people.
she killed herself by arguing with a man.
/s
#choosethebear
#LowHangingFruitRageBait
#IfThisMakesSomeoneMadTheyShouldn’tBeHere
Seems like women should be identifying with AR/15 as their pronouns
Supposedly an accidental shooting according to the article.
But sounds fishy to me, and yes, he should be in prison whether it was accidental or not. It was either a death due to deadly negligence or he’s lying and murdered her, both of which should merit jail time.
Unfortunately guns are extra-legal here. The law or the people in most US cities doesn’t care if the shooting was supposedly accidental.
No, no, you don’t get it - he’s admitted that he was under the influence of alcohol while handling the weapon (which he was showing off to his famously anti-gun daughter in the basement into which she was not allowed prior), so it means he’s off the hook, it was basically an act of God! After all, how can we expect to punish people for what they’re doing while drunk, right?
At this point, it’s a suicide really.
/J
Is the father even a citizen?
Hello ICE, I think I found one of those illegals 😏
A dangerous criminal too, the kind they promised they’d go after
Honour killings are legal in America now. No surprise from Texas, the centre of American terrorists
Well, at least all the Texan children of MAGAts know they can “accidentally” kill their piece of shit Trumpanzee parents without going to prison now there is a precedent.
That would only hold if the law were consistent. This very obviously only goes this single direction.
“I was talking with my Dad about how I was planning to vote for Trump after seeing all the good he was doing for this country. He was so excited he handed me a firearm, as is tradition in our family, but he failed to inform me it was loaded and it tragically went off. Since we don’t let liberals handle guns in this household, Dad never taught me proper gun handling. Now that I’m a future and forever Trump voter though, I’m sure this won’t happen again.”
Checkmate, Sheriff.
*president
/s
Two wrongs don’t make a right one.
Enough wrongs erase the people who care, and trust me, the fascists are stacking wrongs as fast as they can.
I’m so angry right now, getting even is absolutely fair play in my moral compass now
That’s exactly what they hope too.
They didn’t suggest killing innocent people
In some cases they sure as fuck do.
Lawless shithole country.
Yep, sounds like the US to me.
Whoa, did he shoot her at a school!?!!?
If he did, at least we know he’s not a cop. They don’t do anything involving school shootings.
They don’t do anything involving school shootings.
Not true. They’ll stand around and blockade the entrance to prevent parents from going in to rescue their children.
In Texas shooting is ok as long as you can at least see a school from your front yard.
We call that a whoopsie here.
Different circumstances obviously, but parallels to Renée Good; women who talk back get shot.
Well, if somebody threatens you, you should probably do something about that. As Megan and Kelly of The Devil Said Jump sings in “make me buy a gun” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VEVk4I_htWE
[Chorus]
These motherfuckers are gonna make me buy a gun
I’m done with stressin’
Get my Smith and Wesson, on God[Verse 1]
They come for my rights
‘Cause they can’t take my light
And they hate me for shining so bright
They come with their anger
But darlin’, they ain’t never met mine[Verse 2]
They’re sorely mistaken if they thought
I’d lay down and die
Damn cowards had better come right for
The fight of their lives[Chorus]
‘Cause these motherfuckers are gonna make me buy a gun
Sore losers restarted a fight
That we’ve already wonAlex Pretti bought a gun. They disarmed him and then killed him.
Yes, I once bought a vehicle from a little old lady who never used it. What’s the point in buying something for then to never use it?
Pretti had the background to expect lawful and reasonable behavior from the authorities. What Pretti then experienced was all but that. Now people should know better.
I think Pretti showed us that concealed carry is just a way to get killed. The Panthers had it right - open carry armed patrols.
I don’t really know what Pretti showed us. That compassion getting in the way of fascists gets you killed?
I think on a tactical level the Panthers may be doing it right, but on the other hand, if you’re demonstrably armed, then you’re a target. If you knew that in a certain area there’s black panthers armed with small arms, then you’d either stay away or “dress for the part” by rolling in an APC, or identify the black panthers and pick them up when they’re not standing on a street corner with a ready semiauto 12ga.
Something we may take away from Alex Pretti is that you need to go for the oppressors first, and help the oppressed second. But what we can take away from both panthers and Pretti is, don’t do it alone, there’s strength in numbers.
Pretti showed us that you don’t have to be demonstrably armed to be a target, so why bother with concealment? They target people for talking back, for filming them, for posting negatively about them on the internet. They’re looking for reasons to target us.
If you don’t want to be a target, the only real option is to stay home.
Except, once they run out of targets in the streets, they’ll come for us in our houses next. Fascists don’t stop, they’re always looking for new enemies to target. We’re all going to be targets eventually, our choice is when - now, or later?
My hope is that he will feel tremendous guilt for the rest of his life, and that his rationalizations might fool others, but never him.
He had told her he wouldn’t mind if she was raped, because he had two other daughters.
So no, he’ll feel no guilt for murdering his daughter.
Charming fellow
he wouldn’t mind if she was raped
that I don’t get at all! As soon as I know someone even thinks of raping mine, I know which of my axes will be in my hand
People like this tend to this of the women in their life (wives, daughters etc.) as objects they own. When an object is broken and cannot be fixed, you throw it away — especially if you have spares.
It’s only speculation, but it fits the pattern. I have had the misfortune of knowing multiple disgusting assholes like this guy
He’s literally a remorseless psychopath.
Cool. My hope is the boyfriend disagrees with this outcome.
Well he’s an alcoholic so his life was probably already full of regrets and numbing the pain.
